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Keith Thomas
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Golden invented the 'spagheti' webbing as used by all
the artists mentioned since
I'm not so sure
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John Byrne
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That's not "spaghetti webbing". One of the things Ditko always kept in mind was that Spider-Man's webbing is supposed to be vanishingly slender, like a spider's web. What you're seeing on that cover is multiple strands. The "spaghetti webbing" (replete with "knots") is thick webbing. Looks good, but not at all what Lee and Ditko had in mind.
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Matt Reed
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Brad Danson wrote:
Matt Reed wrote:
| Second: Don't offer, ever, to agree to disagree when you really don't mean it. |
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Please explain why not. I'm still agreeing to disagree with you. I didn't demand that you change your opinion. But since you're getting demanding, tell me...would you speak like that if I was standing in front of you? |
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In every other conversation I've ever had, on this board and in person, "agree to disagree" means that we drop it between the two of us. We've reached an impasse where no matter what we say, the other won't see it your way because they see it another. Agreeing to disagree does not mean saying it...and then going on to debate it. I mean, then what's the point of agreeing to disagree? That makes no sense whatsoever.
To your second question, yes. I would speak like that if you and I were out for a beer, disagreed about something, you offered and I accepted to just agree to disagree, and then you piped up five minutes later starting the whole debate again. Worse here in that because I didn't agree with you, you said I was "refusing" to see what you were seeing (as if there's only one way to see something) and being "contradictory". All of this after you agreed to disagree. Ridiculous.
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Brad Danson
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QUOTE:
| "agree to disagree" means that we drop it between the two of us |
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Last time I checked, saying "let's drop it" means for us to drop it.
And last time I checked DEMANDING I do something pisses me off. Let's meet for that beer in San Diego.
Edited by Brad Danson on 12 June 2009 at 9:27am
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Keith Thomas
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Wow, I'm glad Michael Golden came up in this thread besides
Avengers Annual 10 I don't think I have any comics by him,
well Art Adams is another artist I can throw on the
unoriginal clone list...and the original and unique list
shrinks <sigh>
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John Byrne
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Might as well scrap that list altogether, Keith. The last time there was a truly original and unique artist he was some caveman painting on a stone wall! Scratch any artist, and you will find influences.
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Paulo Pereira
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Yeah, nobody learns or aspires to draw in a vacuum.
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Rick Senger
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I think it's one thing if a Neal Adams or a John Romita becomes the default "house style" for a character as they did for Batman and Spider-Man respectively.
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Pause to interrupt all the vitriole for a moment to say... man would I have liked to see Neal Adams draw Spider-Man.
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John Farnham
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A few pages back it was debated that Mr Fantastic was/was not a copy of Plastic Man since Plastic Man uses his powers to turn into objects, while MR F does not.
Weren't both Elasti Lad (1958) and Elongated Man (1960) in DC Comics before Mr Fantastic (1961)? Were they ripped off or perhaps just inspiration? That fact that there were at least three prominant stretching characters probably made it easy to have Mr Fantastic have that power -- but he's definitely not a rip off.
Personally, I think comparing similar characters to each other is stupid. The courts decided that Shazam/Captain Marvel was a rip off of Superman -- and I see no similarities between the two except basic powers. Their origins, power levels, power sources, secret identities, etc are all completely different.
I don't think Mr Fantastic is being ripped off from anyone, just because he can stretch. That's like saying Byrne was infact ripping off Plastic Man when he had Reed Richards change his facial features to be Reed Benjamin since that face changing thing was something Plastic Man did frequently. Am I ripping off Eric Clapton because I can play Layla on the guitar? No one is going to confuse Mr Fantastic with Plastic Man, Elasti Lad, Elongated Man just like no one is confusing me with Eric Clapton.
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...or Gen 13 with X-Men! (In response to some of the "image characters are rip offs" people.)
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Keith Thomas
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Scratch any artist, and you will find influences
Well let's just say I rather have a video tape made from
a digital source rather than my buddy hooking up his 2
VCR's and recording on LP (geez is that reference too
dated?)
Oh and searching through an old box I got at closeout, I
did have another Golden book. I found a copy of Marvel
Fanfare #1 (with a nice Spider-man pin up by JB) and was
this the beginning of the end? A premium format book
printed on all glossy paper for the best talent (that's
what the Al Milgrom page said inside anyway) only
available through direct sales with a higher cover
price.(this also had an odd letter in the back from
Shooter to Stan Lee lamenting his move out west that
sounded like a letter by a seperated lover trying to keep
a long distance romance alive).
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Nathan Greno
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The World's Best Todd McFarlane Spider-Man Drawing (in my opinion!)
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