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Paulo Pereira
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Well... isn't that what enduring means for a comicbook character?
I've never been a big fan of Aquaman or Ant-Man, but they're certainly enduring. |
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Neither have really been cash cows. Neither has Wonder Woman, another enduring character.
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Donald Pfeffer
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| Posted: 27 June 2009 at 11:15am | IP Logged | 2
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Wonder-Woman has been consistently appearing in comics for over 60 years, had her own tv series, and spawned numerous figures, dolls, posters, t-shirts, etc. There was recently a straight to DVD film and a big budget film has been in the works for years. Wonder Woman may not make the kind of money that Batman or Spider-Man does, but I'd still call her a cash cow. Well, no I wouldn't, because she's not a cow. That would be sexist ;-)
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Victor Rodgers
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Cable, Deadpool, X-Force, and Youngblood are far from the greatest characters on Earth, but it's been nearly two decades
since they've been introduced and they continue to be published. Deadpool was a main character in the recent Wolverine
film and has his own series; I find him to be a fairly one-note villain but the character seems to endure.
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I can agree with you about Deadpool and Cable. Even if its because other creators took them and turned them into something worthwhile. But I have a hard time seeing X-Force as anything but a name. Its a bit like calling Bob Layton creator of X-Factor.
Youngblood has had too many long periods of not being published to be enduring.
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Donald Pfeffer
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We're still talking about Youngblood, aren't we?
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Erik Larsen
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| Posted: 27 June 2009 at 12:10pm | IP Logged | 5
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John Byrne wrote:
I recall reading the words being discussed in the back of an issue of
JBNM,
and I didn't see it as anything but high praise for Jack Kirby.
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Nor would anyone without an agenda. |
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That is, as someone in this thread put it-- an opinion. An opinion which
happens to be wrong, I was, at that point, in contact with several people
who you had collaborated with at some point and, being a fan, your name
often came up in conversation. One of them (whose name I will not
divulge--no point getting him on your "shit list") pointed the column out
to me and felt it came off really weird. This person, as far as I'm aware,
has never had a negative thing to say about you in print or otherwise and
it struck him the same way it did me.
And contrary what you might believe--I do not 'have an agenda."
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Erik Larsen
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Al Cook wrote:
Still waiting to see if Mr. Larsen has a response to my legitimate, if
disdain-
filled post about actually having anything to say about the enduring
qualities of Liefeld's characters, and not just their enduring financial
potential.
Well Erik? |
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It's a stupid question that I have no way of knowing the answer to.
If Deadpool bombs and the guys at Marvel decided not to use Rob's
characters anymore--they're effectively dead. If that was the case then--
no--the characters did not endure. If Deadpool is a huge hit and they
decide to make a big deal out of every character he introduced--BAM--
he's got a ton of enduring characters. It's out of his control. As far as the
"enduring qualities" go--those are qualities put there by others since Rob
really didn't establish any of the Marvel characters to a great extent. His
stuff at Image will endure as long as he chooses it to and as long as it can
turn some kind of profit. If the books don't turn a profit--we can't afford
to publish them.
Edited by Erik Larsen on 27 June 2009 at 12:25pm
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 27 June 2009 at 12:26pm | IP Logged | 7
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Liefeld did not create Cable. He sent in a stack of character sketches, and a list of possible names. Not names for the characters, just names. It was Louise Simonson who connected the name Cable to a particular visual, and came up with the backstory,
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Erik Larsen
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John-By that definition--Steve Ditko did not co-create Spider-Man. He
"only" came up with costume, after all. In Cable's case--Rob Liefeld came up
with BOTH the name and the look yet it doesn't count because he didn't
put the two together?
That doesn't seem right.
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Greg McPhee
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Louise Simonson and Bob Harras wanted to call Cable Commander X or Quinn originally.
I actually think Cable sounds a little better.
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Keith Thomas
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That seems slightly different to be the version of events
being floated around
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/04/02/comic-
book-legends-revealed-201/
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John Byrne
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Louise Simonson and Bob Harras wanted to call Cable Commander X or
Quinn originally.
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So Walt lied to me? The bastard!
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From the website linked above: "In X-Men #1, the reader knows little
about the origins of Cyclops, Iceman, Beast, Angel, Marvel Girl and
particularly the villain Magneto"
Well, as Roger Stern has long said, What's the origin of a mutant? "One
night, in the back of a '56 Chevy. . . "
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Greg McPhee
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Keith from Comics Creators On X-Men Interview with Louise Simonson:
Tom DeFalco: Did you come up with Cable, or was he Rob's idea?
Louise Simonson: I came up with the character and what his motivation was. Rob came up with the character design. Actually, his original character design was supposed to be for Stryfe, but Bob Harras and I thought it would be better for Cable. I though about calling the guy Commnader X at one point, but Rob wanted to call the guy Cable and I said, "You know waht? Sure, Cable is fine."
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