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Ray Brady
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Just out of curiosity, Erik, do you still feel Liefeld's characters have proven
enduring?
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Erik Larsen
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Mike Murray wrote:
That's interesting. Is the same true of letters? |
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First off--I'm not a lawyer--although I talk to them all the time and I am
currently married to one--so this is only my understanding of the law.
I imagine that if somebody wrote to you a letter and said their boss was a
turd and that he was cheating on his wife and you tacked it to the bulletin
board at work and he got fired and divorced that you might find yourself
in hot water. It all comes down to proving damages and intent and a lot of
other stuff.
If you embarrassed somebody by publishing their letter or defamed them
or caused them to lose income in some way--they may have legal
recourse.
If the letter which ran here caused the sender harm-- he may be able to
pursue legal action. The letter was not intended for the general public,
after all, but to a specific recipient.
A letter sent to you is not truly "your" letter. Yes, you own the physical
letter but that doesn't entitle you to publish it. Just as owning a piece of
art doesn't make you the copyright holder.
If you had a commission drawn for you and you paid for it--you couldn't
publish the drawing or copy it and sell it in any way. The rights to the
image is owned by the artist. The rights to the character is owned by the
copyright holder. If you had John Byrne draw you a drawing of Spider-
Man, say, in order to publish it, legally, you'd need to get permission from
both John Byrne and Marvel Comics.
Often emails will have a whole line of legal crap at the bottom to further
protect the person sending it. Many companies require that to be affixed
to their emails. That does not mean, necessarily, that all other emails
have no protection.
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Erik Larsen
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| Posted: 26 June 2009 at 7:31pm | IP Logged | 3
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Ray Brady wrote:
Just out of curiosity, Erik, do you still feel Liefeld's characters have proven
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A Diehard movie is being made. Youngblood has been optioned. While
there aren't as many books on the shelves featuring his characters as
there were at that point-- there are still quite a few.
I dunno.
It'll be another few decades before we really know what's endured and
what hasn't. If I had to choose what character that I created at Marvel or
DC which would endure the longest-- I would not have put money on
Lagoon Boy.
Y'never know...
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Al Cook
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Nice dodge, Erik.
The question was do you feel Liefeld's characters have proven
enduring?
Your answer: One is being made into a movie, another optioned, some are
still selling. Well, that's what the current market is saying about their
enduring quality. A qualified 'well, let's see. Maybe this will make money...'
What's your personal opinion of Liefeld's characters? Do you feel they are of
enduring quality yourself?
Edited by Al Cook on 26 June 2009 at 7:45pm
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Erik Larsen
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Al Cook wrote:
Nice dodge, Erik.
The question was do you feel Liefeld's characters have proven
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Thus far, certainly and I stated the reasons why--two movies in the works
and comics still being published.
I can't predict the future, however.
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Al Cook
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Oh. So it's "I think they're enduring because others seem to think they're
still able to make money."
Dang.
I was really hoping to hear that you thought the characters themselves
had qualities that would lead you to believe they might be enduring.
I guess we've all had enough of "well, I think that Character X is unique,
funny and touching, and the way he/she struggles and always makes the
right choice is inspiring and something readers will always be able
to both identify with and look up to. Yep, Liefeld's Character X is an
enduring creation" kind of fluff.
Still able to make money = enduring.
Thank you for you blunt honesty about the crass consumerism of the
venture. Refreshing.
Edited by Al Cook on 26 June 2009 at 8:19pm
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Luca Tavan
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This is nothing more than an absolutely transparent attempt to lure Larsen
into saying something "controversial". You asked him what he thought, and
he gave a professional and gentlemanly reply. Leave it at that.
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Al Cook
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Not at all, Luca. I want to know what he thinks about the enduring
qualities of Liefeld's characters.
Perhaps that's an expansion of the original question, but a more interesting
one, I think. As a professional and gentleman, I expect Mr. Larsen to be
able to deftly and appropriately avoid any potential pitfalls there.
In fact, in my post just above, I've given him a framework he's more than
welcome to use that would avoid just what you accused me of trying to 'lure'
him into doing.
Edited by Al Cook on 26 June 2009 at 8:36pm
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Victor Rodgers
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Erik is right about emails, by the way. It's a copyright issue:
http://www.netmanners.com/email-etiquette/online-copyright-m yths/
*******
I really don't care what the law says. Somebody sends me an insulting e-mail I will post it wherever I want. I would love to watch an asshole spend five dollars to get my twenty five cents.
Edited by Victor Rodgers on 26 June 2009 at 8:45pm
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Al Cook
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(Oh, and Luca? I'll readily admit that I made no effort to hide my disdain for
the "if it sells it's of enduring quality" stance. I'm just a guy with an opinion.
I'm not going to dress it up. Mr. Larsen is a professional and conducts
himself accordingly. I'm just me.
Do you think he thought it was sweet of you to try to step in and protect
him? I got my answer from the nice gentleman and I should leave him alone
now, and all that. Well, I thought it was kind of cute of you, even if he
doesn't.)
Edited by Al Cook on 26 June 2009 at 9:11pm
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Jeremiah Avery
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Nathan, you're not alone in that matter. I've gotten a few e-mails along those lines as well. Almost tempting to sign the person's e-mail address up for some disgusting spam.
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Jason Mark Hickok
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I'm just me
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But that is part of your charm Al. Also, a reason why most everyone loves ya.
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