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Nathan Greno
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Erik Larsen,
May I ask... why do you post on this site? I really am curious.
I can't imagine you are a "fan" of JB.
So...
Why?
Edited by Nathan Greno on 25 June 2009 at 9:55pm
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Paul Greer
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I recall the JB column in Next Men. I never took it as a way for JB to rally a cause to label himself the new "King". It truly was a testament to how no one could come close to Kirby's title. What you took as ego, comparing his page count to Kirby's, I took as humility. For all of the things JB has done the only thing he felt came close in accomplishments is that he could keep up with Kirby's page output.
Erik you may very well have said in jest that Liefeld was the next King of Comics. However, it became a label that was somehow given to him at the 1996 Chicago-Con. I recall it being announced on the loud speaker that the "New King of Comics, Rob Liefeld" was signing at his booth that year.
So one man claims he is not worthy of the title in a letters page and another has the title announced before his name at a major con. But the guy who feels he is not worthy of the title is the self-serving one? That doesn't add up to me.
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Moose Baumann
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Royalties? Do free-lancers get royalties?
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Of course, if the work they do generates sufficient revenue to pay them.
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In my experience, colorists don't get royalties at all unless they work for M*****. There was some talk a few years back about DC doing the same, but it turned out to be even more hucksterism. Not that I'm complaining. With some Independent companies, colorists don't get paid at all.
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Erik Larsen
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Nathan Greno wrote:
May I ask... why do you post on this site? I really am curious.
I can't imagine you are a "fan" of JB.
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I come here because I am a fan of John Byrne's work. I've bought
numerous pages of his original art and nearly every comic book he's ever
drawn, starting with the second appearance of Rog 2000 in the back of
E-Man. I've followed his career for roughly 35 of my 46 years.
That doesn't mean we agree on everything.
I didn't sign up to argue. I realize that this is John's place and I do my best
to be courteous and respectful. You'll find posts from me in quite a few
threads discussing comics and John's work.
When somebody questions me or asks about things my company has
done--I tell them. When somebody accuses me of something, I make an
effort to set the record straight or at least explain how I see things.
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Erik Larsen
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Paul Greer wrote:
I recall the JB column in Next Men. I never took it as a way for JB to rally a
cause to label himself the new "King". It truly was a testament to how no
one could come close to Kirby's title. What you took as ego, comparing
his page count to Kirby's, I took as humility. For all of the things JB has
done the only thing he felt came close in accomplishments is that he
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I'll admit that I may have taken it wrong. It just struck me as a really
backward way of complimenting Jack. And given that he had just passed
away and we'd been working with him on Phantom Force--I may have
been a bit more sensitive than I should have been. But this was also
around the time when he wrote a column, ostensibly to lambaste the
Image guys, comparing good comics to bad. Much of the bad he was
guilty of as well (gimmicks, multiple covers and so on) and a lot of the
rest was quite debatable. In any case--that stung a bit so the Kirby thing
just added fuel to the fire.
Paul Greer wrote:
Erik you may very well have said in jest that Liefeld
was the next King of Comics. However, it became a label that was
somehow given to him at the 1996 Chicago-Con. I recall it being
announced on the loud speaker that the "New King of Comics, Rob
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I never said it--period. Not even in jest. I can't control what other people
say on loud speakers.
Paul Greer wrote:
So one man claims he is not worthy of the title in a
letters page and another has the title announced before his name at a
major con. But the guy who feels he is not worthy of the title is the self-
serving one? That doesn't add up to me. |
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I doubt very seriously that Rob instructed anybody to refer to him as the
"New King of Comics"-- Rob had far too much love for Jack to do such a
thing. It's more likely that the announcer was a fan or a prankster.
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Stephen Churay
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I don't want to address a lot of what's been posted on this thread since I am not a professional comic artist YET, nor was I there to witness anything that's been discussed here.
The one thing that I absolutely believe that JB is right on about, as pertaining to the title of this thread, it's something that was said in an interview he gave a few years ago, (yes this is the second time I've posted it, but it really says it all)and this is paraphrasing;
There's 22 pages in a book and 22 working days in a month. If you can't do a page a day, then you can't do this for a living. It's just that simple.
If more editors had this approach, then there would be no need to have had this discussion.
Erik, I do want to give "props" for the fact that you have managed to have your own book, and as long as it has been out there, it has been your stories and your art. To my knowledge your the only one of the original group that started Image that can make that claim. Very commendable sir.
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Jesus Garcia
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I too was surprised when John shared that anecdote with his
readers. At the time I attributed it to simple reporting --
kind of like recalling where one was when Kennedy died.
Perhaps that was an attempt on John`s part to nip in the
bud any groudswelling movement to crown him as the next
King.
Can't imagine anyone would want the burden of wearing that
particular crown.
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John Peter Britton
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Will it ever be like it was?
Edited by John Peter Britton on 26 June 2009 at 5:10am
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John Byrne
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I too was surprised when John shared that anecdote with his readers. At the time I attributed it to simple reporting -- kind of like recalling where one was when Kennedy died. Perhaps that was an attempt on John`s part to nip in the bud any groudswelling movement to crown him as the next King. •• Interesting that you remember being "surprised" when I "shared that anecdote" yet apparently have no memory of the rest of what I wrote, the whole point of which was that Kirby was unique, and there would never be another "King".
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Jesus Garcia
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John Byrne
Interesting that you remember being "surprised" when I
"shared that anecdote" yet apparently have no memory of
the rest of what I wrote, the whole point of which was
that Kirby was unique, and there would never be another
"King".
Memory is selective (mine, anyhow). Sometimes I can
recall an emotional state, sometimes a smell or taste,
and sometimes a bald statistic.
As a matter of fact, I DO remember you writing that.
What surprised me about you relating the conversation is
that it struck me as being of a personal nature. That's
it. I'm not saying you should have been more circumspect;
I'm saying your candor was unexpected. Perhaps my
impression of you at the time was of someone who held his
cards close to his chest.
Dunno why.
In my efforts to follow you career, I have never come
across a statement on your part that you felt you or
anyone could fill Kirby's shoes.
What I did come across is an assesment that you made,
about how hard you had to work on Jack Kirby's New Gods
to even begin to try to do justice to his material. I
believe you said that you had to work four times as hard
as you ever did on any other book.
Edited by Jesus Garcia on 26 June 2009 at 7:37am
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Wallace Sellars
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I recall reading the words being discussed in the back of an issue of JBNM,
and I didn't see it as anything but high praise for Jack Kirby.
(Oh, and i was really hoping that "Dart" was a goner at the end of SAVAGE
DRAGON #149.)
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John Byrne
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I recall reading the words being discussed in the back of an issue of JBNM,
and I didn't see it as anything but high praise for Jack Kirby.
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Nor would anyone without an agenda.
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