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Jim Campbell Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 23 June 2009 at 4:06pm | IP Logged | 1
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John, can I ask: was it true about you and the nun and the donkey at San
Diego?
Cheers!
Jim
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 23 June 2009 at 4:19pm | IP Logged | 2
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I dunno about Byrne, Jim, but I heard it was true for Britton.
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Jim Campbell Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 23 June 2009 at 4:22pm | IP Logged | 3
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QUOTE:
i was brought up on comics like the Eagle.TV21.Look and
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I can understand why 2000AD didn't really appeal, then JPB. I'm still
saddened that you didn't want to work for them, though, since they
certainly found a place for artists of the 'older' generation ... John Cooper
is still working for them now!
Of course, being nothing like Eagle or TV21 was kind of the
point of 2000AD. Frankly, it's what we're overdue for ... 2000AD was
the punk rock of comics in the 70s. By the late 80s, they practically were
the establishment, so we got Deadline. In the late 90s ...? I don't think
anyone cared anymore, unfortunately. :-(
(Actually, that's not true: in the late 90s, I had a fully costed business
plan for ULTRAVIOLENT (aka OVERLOAD) that broke even down to a paltry
11K per issue. Dunno if you've ever tried to personally raise a quarter of
million quid, however, but it's not as easy as it sounds ...)
Cheers!
Jim
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Dale Ingram Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 28 July 2006 Location: United States Posts: 12
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Posted: 23 June 2009 at 4:43pm | IP Logged | 4
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JB said: For comics to go digital and remain comics
in any recognizable way would make about as much sense as their
clinging to their 10¢ cover price when other magazines started to up
their prices. If comics are to march boldly into the 21st Century, they
will soon cease to be comics as we know them.
Agreed.
I do think that there's room and opportunity to create something great and unique with a digital comic. It just hasn't been done yet, and I wonder if it ever will now that M*****L has entered the game in the sloppy, ramshackle way that they have by repurposing print comics online.
It's possible to keep the things that make it comics - static images, word balloons, narrative captions, the art of storytelling in panels. If anything, I think we can enhance that experience in a digital format.
My problem is mostly that I don't think the print page format works all that well when displayed on a monitor or a mobile device. And any attempts to repurpose them have been awkward.
But you're right, once we start going down that road, they would cease to be comics as we know them. Question is, is that a bad thing? The comic book is a different animal than the comic strips that preceeded it.
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John Peter Britton Byrne Robotics Member

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I met John Cooper way back in 1969 Jim Campbell when he was drawing Thunderbirds nice guy.
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John Peter Britton Byrne Robotics Member

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Thanks Brian Miller!
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 23 June 2009 at 5:38pm | IP Logged | 7
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[two thumbs up]
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Lars Sandmark Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 05 October 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 3138
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If comicbooks go digital they will no longer be called comicBOOKS.
...and we'd still end up with the problem of being late to deadline.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 23 June 2009 at 6:48pm | IP Logged | 9
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Time once again to remind everyone to seek out Isaac Asimov's very
short story, "The Holmes Ginsbook Device".
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Chad Carter Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 23 June 2009 at 7:22pm | IP Logged | 10
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You hear Stan Lee talk (notably in 80-plus year old car salesman mode) and he is mind-boggled by how "good" the comics are now. What a load!
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That's just mind-reading. Perhaps Stan really does like what today's writers and artists are doing. I don't think it's fair to call him a liar just because you and I don't share that opinion.
I can't produce the quote, but Stan "wished he could have done comics like" Joe Q.
Barring Stan is just a company man doing his usual aggrandizement of the unfortunate spawn that his benign genius wrought, I think Marvel Movies are Stan's retirement package. Good for him, I guess, but too bad for progressively ill and bat-blind Gene Colan and cancer-ridden Dave Simons and Steve Gerber.
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Chad Carter Byrne Robotics Member

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Gene Colan and Sal Buscema, and quite a few others, are Hall of Famers who deserve just as much recognition for their work as Stan Lee.
I think I'm being irrational when I think the only people who care about Buscema or Colan are men like myself, who remain in awe of them, along with the subba-culture of bloated "bachelors" with comb-overs selling the original art online and ready to jack the price the moment one or the other of them kicks off.
I love Stan Lee like he's the great-uncle who gets snockered at the Christmas dinner and ends up showing the kids how to piss their names in the snow. But no matter how you look at it--and you CAN look at like Gene Colan "should have managed his money better" as if to say he made anything more than a living-- I think these seminal artists who are still around deserve some monetary accruement for their decades of entertainment. A "retirement." A medical plan. Even janitors who work for high schools for decades get retirement.
I realize free-lancers were what those men were, and them's the breaks kid, and all that jazz. But come on...Erik Larsen probably made more money in his, what, 20 year career than Jack Kirby made in forty years-plus combined. Gene Colan probably didn't make more in all his years drawing Batman for DC Comics than Dan DiDiot makes in ONE year.
It's horrifying to consider how screwed over the Legends actually are.
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Guests Byrne Robotics Visitor
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Posted: 23 June 2009 at 7:25pm | IP Logged | 12
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For comics to go digital and remain comics in any recognizable way would make about as much sense as their clinging to their 10¢ cover price when other magazines started to up their prices. If comics are to march boldly into the 21st Century, they will soon cease to be comics as we know them.
I much prefer paper comics as we know them. If in some future dystopian society there is no paper at all and comics can only be read on an iPod, etc., then I suppose I could live with it. Just as long as we don't have to get plugged into the Matrix in order to enjoy them! ;-)
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