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Saul A. Washington III Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 04 February 2005 Location: United States Posts: 126
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Posted: 08 September 2006 at 7:06pm | IP Logged | 1
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I've read this thread with intrest and patience. Normally I don't like to respond to such threads, but I would like to clarify a huge misconception for the need for the term "African-American". It began with a need for a unified sence of pride and acceptance amongst ourselves as an ethnicity. A need to identify with our history and our present which is tied to the future of the nation we are very much a part of. Why is this needed? Have you ever been the last kid to be chosen for a team sport when you where young? That's how it feels for me considering Black Americans are the only ethnicity to be made citizens by the constitution. We are a part of America from the begining. Not an added new mushroom from Lucky Charms. It was never meant seprate but add a sence unity for all cultures in America. Our history (not just all ethnicities in America, but everyone in the world regardless of race or creed) should be used as a source inspiration that any obstacle can be conquered by the human spirit. Not to be used as a constant source of scorne or as an excuse for short comings. Speaking for myself personally, I identify with being black because as far as we have come, we must first deal with the black situation before we move onto African-American. Remember, that's what the term African-American really means: past, present, future.
Now, let's talk about Columbus. Every year on Columbus Day, I stay at home in silent protest as to not aggrivate folks who actualy like Columbus Day. But what did he really do and what was he suppose to do? He was looking for a faster route to Asia. That was a heck of a wrong turn! Did someone have to go to the bath room? Our goverment has made this a holiday and I still haven't seen but a fraction of my heros pictures on a stamp.
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Chris Hutton Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 11667
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Posted: 08 September 2006 at 8:09pm | IP Logged | 2
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The Yankee screw-up is amazing. But the link underneath (Did Doc Gooden Go Into Jail As A Member Of The Mets or The Yankees?) was PRICELESS!
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John Byrne
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Posted: 10 September 2006 at 5:13am | IP Logged | 3
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It was never meant seprate but add a sence unity for all cultures in America.**** And therein lies the sad, sad situation. So much that was meant to unify has ended up dividing. Too often, cultural diversity has come to mean cultural divisiveness.
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Saul A. Washington III Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 September 2006 at 6:10am | IP Logged | 4
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And therein lies the sad, sad situation. So much that was meant to unify has ended up dividing. Too often, cultural diversity has come to mean cultural divisiveness.
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Yes, sad and very true.
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Sam Houston Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 26 March 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1693
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Posted: 10 September 2006 at 11:42am | IP Logged | 5
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What gets me is that we are told to be "politically correct" and use the term "African-American", but what do we have on t.v.? Channel "BET" and we also have the "Black Movie Awards"! The term "Do as I say and not as I do" really fits here.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 10 September 2006 at 12:48pm | IP Logged | 6
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I don't like "African-American", since it slights about a third of the people from that continent, but I find it easier to use than "Black", having grown up in a time and place where "Black" was the pejorative, and people from sub-Saharan Africa prefered to be called "Negroes".
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Trevor Krysak Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 September 2006 at 12:54pm | IP Logged | 7
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I have trouble with terms like African-American because .. well .. I'm Canadian. So am I supposed to modify it to African-Canadian? Or do I just keep it American because we are all a part of North America? But then I start to think well if people are referred to as African-American should I insist on being called Ukrainian-Norwegian Canadian because that's my background? And then I think it's silly and stop thinking about it before I get a headache.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 10 September 2006 at 1:02pm | IP Logged | 8
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...am I supposed to modify it to African-Canadian?*** I have heard that one used, north of the 49th Parallel. Canada, of course, having been the trailblazer when it came to hyphenation.
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Dawn Adams Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 08 September 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 5
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Posted: 10 September 2006 at 2:14pm | IP Logged | 9
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What gets me is that we are told to be "politically correct" and use the term "African-American", but what do we have on t.v.? Channel "BET" and we also have the "Black Movie Awards"! The term "Do as I say and not as I do" really fits here.
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I find that a bizarre complaint. It supposes that there's one universal black mind about this matter that is telling you what it expects of you.
But anyway, people have a right to name themselves. And for different contexts they may pick different names. When I'm out in the world I'm Canadian. To other Canadians, I'm Nova Scotian. To the general public african-american, despite it's inaccuracies (What label is completely accurate? Most black people aren't really black. Many Canadians have more complex backgrounds that title doesn't do justice too.), is a well recognized and polite term. Within the black community where certain issues and differences simply aren't present, black is acceptable.
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Ian M. Palmer Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 September 2006 at 3:17pm | IP Logged | 10
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Geographically, of course, Canadians are North American.
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Sam Karns Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 26 December 2004 Location: United States Posts: 7624
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Posted: 10 September 2006 at 3:29pm | IP Logged | 11
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I still cringe a bit when people say "Black".
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I think we should call them "Brown" since they have a beautiful colored complexion. Some with lighter shades.
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Glenn Brown Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 September 2006 at 5:51pm | IP Logged | 12
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I think we should call "them" whatever "they" request to be called, since it really has absolutely nothing to do with what you think is right, wrong or politically correct.
When in doubt, whatever the situation there's nothing wrong with asking "How would you prefer to be addressed? How do you identify yourself ethnically?" Everyone is different, times change, a person's awareness and perceptions change...this particular question is far too complex to nail down on a message board, particularly because there is no single answer because there is no consensus on how we all identify ourselves. Black people are not the Borg, we don't have a shared consciousness. But for simplicity's sake, trust me. There's nothing wrong or disrespectful today to say the word "black." The term African American, an extension of the earlier term Afro American from the '60's, has more of a socio-political connotation...an attempt to give black people an area of origin, as in the oft-cited Japanese-American, Mexican-American, Italian-American and so on. There is no Blackland on the map; hence, the identification with Africa, which isn't 100% accurate for many reasons but not entirely wrong either.
In any event, what does it cost anyone to make an adjustment in their terminology if someone prefers the term?
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