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Taavi Suhonen Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 27 April 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 1544
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Posted: 01 September 2006 at 7:21am | IP Logged | 1
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I've always liked the word "Negro". It sounds kinda cool.
I wonder why that one has fallen so far out of fashion. |
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I would imagine it has something to do with the other N word and people not being able to tell there's a difference.
Edited by Taavi Suhonen on 01 September 2006 at 7:21am
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Lars Johansson Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 01 September 2006 at 7:25am | IP Logged | 2
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Martin Luther King used the word Negro, it is on film. It was evidently used at the time. Nowadays in England and Europe it will work with "black people". "Colored" is probably not too OK either except in South Africa where it's an ethnic group of people. One of my my fav US authors (except JB of course!) is probably Erskine Caldwell, he used the labels White and Negro. Keep the books intact. Soon we will watch "I have a dream" with bleeps.
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Elliot Smith Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 06 January 2006 Location: United States Posts: 487
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Posted: 01 September 2006 at 7:41am | IP Logged | 3
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Tangent: JB's Ororo was the best character in his X-MEN run. (And then she was utterly ruined.) |
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It just occurred to me, that "Black Storm" sounds kinda neat. I suspect that the "Black" moniker was used so much, not out of any kind of foul intent, because just because it jazzes up names that might otherwise not be so memorable. Just look at how many non-black characters have the word "Black" in their names. It's quite a lot.
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Josh Goldberg Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 25 October 2005 Location: United States Posts: 2100
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Posted: 01 September 2006 at 7:52am | IP Logged | 4
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Even though the term "African American" has been around for a while, I still tend to use "Black", it's the word I grew up with. My 80 year-old father uses "Colored", I guess it's the word he grew up with.
I used to be married to a woman who had one set of grandparents that came from Turkey. I often teased her about being half-Asian. She insisted she wasn't. I told her, "Sure you are, look at a map".
About a year or two ago, I asked my father if we were "American-Jews" or "Jewish-Americans". He thought about it for a moment and said, "We're American before anything else". Honestly, I was surprised to get such a clear-cut answer from The Old Man, especially with the question worded as it was.
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 12 April 2006 Location: United States Posts: 12864
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Posted: 01 September 2006 at 8:03am | IP Logged | 5
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Aren't Jews Asian-Americans, being originally, ultimately from Israel? Of course, aren't we ALL African-Americans... originally, ultimately?! This hyphen business is so silly.
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 01 September 2006 at 8:31am | IP Logged | 6
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This is one of those places where we crash into differences of time and place. When I was a child in England, "nigger" was a perfectly harmless word, and lots of people named their black dogs or cats that. The actual title of Agatha Christie's novel is "Ten Little Niggers", from the rhyme of the same name. |
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There was an H.P. Lovecraft story in which there was a cat named "Nigger-Man" although Lovecraft was racist (if I'm not mistaken). Still, even in America the word was not always used with offensive intent, as evidenced in the works of Mark Twain. I also read once (forget the name of the book) that the word 'negro' was once pronounced 'negger' and indeed the etymology, as it says in the dictionary is: from Latin nigr-, niger."
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 20 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 14876
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Posted: 01 September 2006 at 9:16am | IP Logged | 7
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Even though the term "African American" has been around for a while, I still
tend to use "Black", it's the word I grew up with.
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Black seems to be the more commonly used term. I tend to only hear African
American from people of a certain age, people trying too hard to be
politically correct, or people complaining about political correctness. There's
nothing odder than watching people try to use African American for Ziggy
Marley or Lenny Henry.
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Caleb M. Edmond Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 20 May 2006 Location: United States Posts: 762
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Posted: 01 September 2006 at 9:16am | IP Logged | 8
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This is SO not where I planned for the topic to go when I posted the
question, but since it is there now, I'd like to voice my opinion on the
topic:
If you really think about it, there is no "class" description that's universal
for all groups of people.
If you use a description in terms of "color" (such as black or white), your
left without a means to descibe Asian or Native Americans (you certainly
don't call them Yellow or Red people);
If you use cultural (or terms based on geographical origin) terms (such as
African American or Italian American) your left without a means to
describe Jewish people.
And we won't even discuss the problems with classifiying people by
religious terms.
I believe the reason why people have a problem with terms like African
American is because it SEEMS to be yet another in a long line of terms the
class has adopted to classify them/ourselves. But if you really think about
it, most (and I dare say all) previous terms have some sort of negative
conatation to them (Negro? Colored? and the last time I checked I've yet
to see a "Black" (or "White" for that matter) person walking around).
But I can understand the frustration of some people to have to change the
way they're supposed to classify people of a certain group (especially if
it's a classification that IS NOT universally accepted).
In a nutshell, I would give some thought as to WHY a group (religious,
ethnic, etc) might change the terms most commonly used to describe
them before getting frustrated with the fact that they did.
Edited by Caleb M. Edmond on 01 September 2006 at 4:41pm
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Brendan Howard Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 01 September 2006 at 9:18am | IP Logged | 9
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I remember reading a story about Canadian singer Fefe Dobson being called African-American and scratching my head. I guess she was born in NORTH America, so it almost makes sense.
One of my good friends is from Barbados and is referred to as African-American all the time. He bites his tongue, but told me he wants to scream "I'm BARBADIAN!"
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Darragh Greene Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 March 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1812
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Posted: 01 September 2006 at 9:22am | IP Logged | 10
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The Commitments, Jimmy Rabbitte:
'Do you not get it, lads? The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And Dubliners
are the blacks of Ireland. And the Northside Dubliners are the blacks of
Dublin. So say it once, say it loud: I'm black and I'm proud.'
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Anthony Vincent Taliaferro Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 24 June 2005 Location: United States Posts: 23
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Posted: 01 September 2006 at 9:55am | IP Logged | 11
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When I was a child in England, "nigger" was a perfectly harmless word, and lots of people named their black dogs or cats that.
Sure, people named pets that, and there were places on the map called:
Nigger Head Gulch -- here in America, but it wasn't harmless.
There was a lot of products in stores with big red lipped black
carricatures grinning at you, begging you to buy it; lots of statues of
jockeys and mammies; people called some types of nuts Nigger toes; it
was acceptable when eating a watermelon to say "hey, let's eat it
nigger-style; but negroes here felt it.
Negroes in England didn't think it was harmless either.
The problem is with what we all call ourselves, let's start with white.
NOBODY cept maybe Edgar Winter and a few others are white. They're
pink; beige. So why don't they call themselves beige people -- or pink
people?
Is it because they dont want to give up what 'white' means?
The word means pure, clean, unblemished. Deserving. White people are
not tainted like people whose skin is colored darker. Other races have
changed the way they describe themselves but whites haven't -
they're not about to as Chris Rock says 'give this white thing up.'
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Paul Go Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 01 September 2006 at 10:15am | IP Logged | 12
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Fawlty Towers
And the strange thing was... throughout the morning she kept referring
to the Indians as niggers. "No no no," I said, "the niggers are the
West Indians. These people are wogs." "No, no," she said. "All
cricketers are niggers."
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