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Rebecca Jansen Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 February 2018 Location: Canada Posts: 4635
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Posted: 06 August 2018 at 12:32pm | IP Logged | 1
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That Avengers (#189) got me into the title. I thought it was a bit like Bugs Bunny kissing Elmer Fudd. :^)
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Michael Gummelt Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 23 July 2018 Location: United States Posts: 9
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Posted: 06 August 2018 at 1:58pm | IP Logged | 2
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I preferred the spanking version, but your new version totally works, too. Wolverine is still to blame for Kitty falling out of the plane, so Colossus can still get really pissed at him.
This whole question of the modern take on sexualization in comics reminded me of a question I wanted to ask:
How did you guys get away with putting The White Queen and Jean Grey in such fetish wear in the Hellfire Club arc?
Was it your idea, Claremont's or both?
Did editors or CCA make you alter it?
Did you get complaints about it?
Was this not seen as so sexual back then because it wasn't really a popular fetish? (and fetishes, in general, were more of a personal/private thing back then)
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133334
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Posted: 06 August 2018 at 2:08pm | IP Logged | 3
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Everything in the Hellfire Club was published as I drew it. The CCA didn't even blink. Times change!
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 09 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1356
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Posted: 06 August 2018 at 2:39pm | IP Logged | 4
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Remember back in THE AVENGERS when Hawkeye finished up a battle with Deathbird by laying a big smooch on her? We received ONE (1) letter of complaint, calling him a rapist.
Today, I wonder......
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Deathbird attacks, tries to maim or even kill Hawkeye. Hawkeye goes for a kiss "RAPE@!"
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 August 2018 at 2:44pm | IP Logged | 5
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How did you guys get away with putting The White Queen and Jean Grey in such fetish wear in the Hellfire Club arc?
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Have you seen how women dress at comic conventions? This is one of those annoying things I hate about today... "I can dress this way if I want, but you can't like it!"
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Ernest Degollado Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 674
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Posted: 06 August 2018 at 6:26pm | IP Logged | 6
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There is a lot I like about the revised version.- the view from the Stratojet - Kitty's dialogue, a teenager in which everything is new to her - Kitty accidentally phasing, basically still learning how to control her powers I'm amazed at how seamless the new panels fit in. I will say this about the changes, not better, both were great, just different. I didn't read any sexual connotation into the previous panels but maybe I'm just a naive bumpkin
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John Byrne
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Posted: 06 August 2018 at 6:42pm | IP Logged | 7
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...maybe I'm just a naive bumpkin ••• Then I R 1 2!
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John Byrne
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Posted: 06 August 2018 at 6:45pm | IP Logged | 8
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BTW, that small profile of Kitty, in panel 3, is one of my personal bests. I love it!
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Doug Centers Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 February 2014 Location: United States Posts: 5600
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Posted: 06 August 2018 at 7:36pm | IP Logged | 9
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Fantastic looking replacement panels!
I also prefer the originals (which I inked), the offending panel never crossed my mind that way. But because of the hubbub will forever be tainted when I look at it. So good decision!
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Jeffrey Rice Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 September 2011 Location: United States Posts: 1161
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Posted: 06 August 2018 at 9:44pm | IP Logged | 10
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Kitty seemingly jumped off your pencil most effortlessly in this exercise.
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Philippe Pinoli Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 03 September 2004 Location: France Posts: 1331
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Posted: 06 August 2018 at 10:15pm | IP Logged | 11
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our world changes all the Time, not necessarily in the (b)right direction all the Time...but, let's be pragmatic...we just got 4 extra panels (and a first one of beauty indeed), niark niark niak !!!!
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Eric Ladd Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 August 2018 at 5:54am | IP Logged | 12
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JB, I noticed on the newly inserted panels you drew Kitty's belt with the round buckle. Did you make the change to her belt on all of the other pages as well?
Edited by Eric Ladd on 07 August 2018 at 6:06am
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