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Athanasios Kollias
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Posted: 15 August 2024 at 1:28pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Two things can be true at the same time. They understood the necessity but still considered it cruel. I guess a case could be made they would have preferred to be "in on it" and not mourn for nothing.

As for aliens, Xavier and the X-Men had been fighting aliens for a long time already. Lucifer, Stranger, Factor 3 all had alien origins and agendas. Xavier stopped another invasion before Lucifer left him crippled.
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I do not think it's pedantic to object to Mr. Claremont's having Scott think Professor X "cruel" when we take the word seriously...

Cruel means "(of a person or action) extremely unkind and unpleasant and causing pain to people or animals intentionally" (Cambridge Dictionary); "used to describe people who hurt others and do not feel sorry about it" (Britannica); "willfully or knowingly causing pain or distress to others; enjoying the pain or distress of others" (dictionary.com); and so forth.

There's a reason why Jean Grey was happily weeping in #65 when she could finally admit that Prof X was alive. There's a reason why Hank in #65 says he now knows what Hamlet felt to see the ghost of his father. There's a reason why Warren exclaims surprise that Prof X had been alive and well "right under our noses!"

Of course they were shocked. And of course they suffered real trauma.

But as much as the original X-Men were like a family, they were not civilians: they were "soldiers," superheroes. They all would understand, and Scott more than any of them.

Unless he or any of them had reason to think Prof X was lying or recklessly, negligently wrong that utmost seclusion was required for him to devise a counter-attack against the Z'Nox to save the planet, then why would any of them of them think he was "cruel"?

Mr. Claremont did not in #138 provide any such reason. It was a quick "thought" put into the expressive mind of Scott Summers -- who, at the grave of Jean Grey, could have been just as fully upset at the "cruelty" of his beloved who herself kept Prof X's secret.


(Just a tangent for Athanasios: we can easily in Greek say for the word cruel, σκληρός, which in English typically means "hard," and no doubt it was very hard for the X-Men to think that Prof X had actually died! But the way cruel is given and taken in Scott's thought would be more like άσπλαχνος or απάνθρωπ_ 9;ς.  Δεν μπορώ να γράψω σωστά την τελευταία λέξη. Συγνώμη!)



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Posted: 15 August 2024 at 2:04pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Four or five times in 65 issues hardly counts as a theme.

And as to Xavier’s “cruelty”, he recruited the Changeling because he, Xavier, didn’t want to leave the X-Men without guidance while he performed a task about which he could not tell them. His intention was to protect them.

This is often a problem with retcons. Readers whose experience began after the retcon was in place have no other frame of reference. Two-Face and Bruce Banner always had MPD. Doctor Doom was always trying to save his mother from Hell. Don Blake had always been a construct created by Odin.

Sometimes, tho, as here, we need to find the original context of the retcon, and avoid all the false layers that have been built upon it.

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Posted: 15 August 2024 at 2:12pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

That was my reading experience with the character - Professor Xavier was always a "jerk" or worse - at this point, I think he's marched multiple teams of X-Men to their deaths?
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Posted: 15 August 2024 at 2:13pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

It would've been silly had Denny O'Neil revealed Prof X was alive and offered zero reactions from the X-Men. And what he wrote and what Neal Adams showed was perfectly suitable. All the retcon did was introduce the imperfectly unsuitable. What do those five thought-words #138 even try to tell us? Scott thinks that Prof X was being an unconscionable @sshole?

(It's neat to re-read the issue and see Bobby Drake say "I've seen scarier stories on Star Trek"...!)
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Posted: 15 August 2024 at 2:37pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

That was my reading experience with the character - Professor Xavier was always a "jerk" or worse…

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A fate that befell Cyclops due to Chris.

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Posted: 15 August 2024 at 2:44pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

He’s so much more interesting and entertaining as a strict, but courageous
and daring leader— like the cool guy we got in Elsewhen.
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Athanasios Kollias
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Posted: 15 August 2024 at 3:39pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Thanks, Michael, I see your point. απάνθρωπος is the word that got misspelled.
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No matter how many times I edited my post, I couldn't get the final omicron! Argh! Anyway... Γεια σου, πατριωτη!
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Posted: 16 August 2024 at 12:16pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Roger Stern used to say of one writer that he couldn’t do superheroes properly because he didn’t believe in characters more noble than he was—which was not very.

In the last thirty years or so the industry has seen an influx of many with a similar mentality, leading to the slow but inexorable destruction of authority figures. Lee, Kirby and Ditko abandoned the DC model and gave us characters with feet of clay. More recent “talent” has taken the clay all the way up to the shoulders.

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The Marvel model was neatly distinguishing from DC in the hands of those 60s greats. And neatly, smartly limited too. It was not they who made Hank Pym a wife-beater or Tony Stark an alcoholic. That kind of approach/mentality to comicbooks is the definition of both "this is why we can't have nice things" and "you're no fun anymore."
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Posted: 16 August 2024 at 1:24pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

 JB wrote:
...More recent “talent” has taken the clay all the way up to the shoulders.
Ha!  Loved that.
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