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John Byrne
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Speaking of XHY, HERE’S a page of “reviews” that pretty much underscores what’s wrong with unedited forums. Nobody likes bad reviews, but when the reviews are negative, one at least hopes for some substance to them. Some fleshing out of WHY the work is deemed lacking. Instead, here we get those vacuous one-liners that pass for “clever” in too much of what we see on the Internet. sigh
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Wallace Sellars
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I recently reread XMHY, and enjoyed it just as much the third (fourth?) time. I think JB is his own best inker, but really appreciated the look Tom Palmer's brush brought to our host's pencils.
That said, ELSEWHEN is on an entirely different level!
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Andrew Bitner
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It's amazing to me that this labor of love project is now close to completing its 21st issue. So glad that we've gotten to see JB's vision for the X-Men post-Dark Phoenix--it's been a terrific read.
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Rebecca Jansen
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| Posted: 24 April 2021 at 11:07am | IP Logged | 4
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| Speaking of XHY, HERE’S a page of “reviews” |
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I like how you were stale and hadn't changed with the times because you needed someone other than Tim Palmer to bounce ideas off of. :^D
Also how you just didn't "get" the characters and got "overly wordy". I think maybe some of these people are coming from not really being fans of the original X-Men run circa #50-onward, sort of like somebody heavily into Star Trek: TNG reviewing a story about Dr. McCoy or Captain Pike. Going by some of these reviews they were reading something other than what I was, a continuation of the original team post #66 and I think it did "get" who those characters were... then. Havok and Polaris in particular have been handled terribly in other hands in my opinion.
Plus providing links to the new with Phoenix and Ororo was bad how? This comic was my gateway drug back into wanting to read Marvel comics again at all, yet for someone who had never stopped they were probably happy with a lot of the trendy or extreme comics with loads of static poses in place of storytelling which I had given up on.
Elsewhen is better than Hidden Years because it isn't constrained at all in effecting other non-X characters. I looked into most of the other X titles from when Hidden years was new and I found X-Man (Nathan Grey), Cable (another future Grey), and Bishop, all titles about future mutants come back in time, as well as X-Factor at the end of it's life which had multiple future mutants but in bodies from the past, to be the poorest and most tangled-up in continuity versus having stories. The real deciding factor though ought to have been sales! Duh. I might personally find a title awful or dull but if it's profitable that's what should count.
Edited by Rebecca Jansen on 24 April 2021 at 11:11am
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Philippe Negrin
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Sorry to ask a possibly already answered or possibly boring question, JB. What proportion of the Elsewhen material dates back to ideas you had back then and what is "new" ?
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 25 April 2021 at 7:38am | IP Logged | 6
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At this point, none of it dates to the before time.
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Philippe Negrin
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Thanks for your answer ! Great !
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L Hunt
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JB, do you tend to think of stories in terms of arcs? A lot of your storylines here seem to intermingle so I wonder how you compartmentalise it all in your mind?
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Darren Ashmore
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Not posted in a while, but I have to comment that this
series just keeps on getting better and better. The new
pages are usually posted during my lunch break (UK/US time
differences dontchakno)so it's always a treat.We really are
being spoilt with these pages,I never thought all those
years back when I got my copy of The Art of John Byrne that
I would ever see elements of that What If.. story come to
fruition but here we are and I love every bit of it. Thanks
JB
Edited by Darren Ashmore on 25 April 2021 at 10:35am
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John Byrne
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JB, do you tend to think of stories in terms of arcs? A lot of your storylines here seem to intermingle so I wonder how you compartmentalise it all in your mind?••• Arc fragments, overlapping. Since I started writing comics I’ve had a “rule”, that a new sub plot should begin in the first part of the main story, and grow until it takes over when the main story ends—with it’s own growing subplots, of course! Something roughly like this: AAAAB AAABB AABBB ABBBC BBBBC, etc
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John Northey
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I like that - subplots slowly growing until they take over, the odd one dies stillborn, but normally they keep growing so kind of ...
AAAAABC AAAABBC AABBBCC ABBBBBC (C dies here, such as Colossus' leg, B has taken over as main story) ABBBBBD (A ends here) BBBBBDD (B major story, D growing) ...
Makes sense. Trick is not to get... AABCDEFGHI and lose track of a few and have A get pushed out of the title before the story is done. I'd be a lousy writer as I'd probably get too caught up in the minutia of the subplots and the story would meander like my posts often do... uh oh. There is a reason I'm a math person :)
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 25 April 2021 at 6:26pm | IP Logged | 12
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Y’know, I’m probably second only to Shakespeare when it comes to being misquoted, but I think this is the first time it’s taken only the span between two neighboring posts to do it!
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