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John Byrne
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I don’t know how many assistants Lee uses, but with so many identically posed, identically lit figures, I worry about his sanity if he’s really producing all of them himself. I’d go nutz for sure.
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Eric Sofer
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But Mr. Byrne, aren't you already- oooh. Never mind.
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John Byrne
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Playing around with the N’Garai n’otion, tried doodling Dave’s demon in my style. Realized the principle difference between his and mine is that his big influence was Harryhausen, while mine was Giger.
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In Claremont's defence, no-one brags to themselves, though they might deceive themselves over how fit they are. The objective view of Kitty's great shape is surely revealed by the words in the second panel.
In terms of pacing, I find the first panel OK -- where it is quite reasonable to think she might spend a moment leaning back, readying for the move. The final thought balloon is definitely a little tagged on though. We can't assume she stays in the "Allez-oop" pose for anything other than a fleeting moment. It's also a bit extraneous in terms of not really the kind of thing you'd be thinking about when you've just felt something go in your leg...
The benefit is that it does add those elements that Nathan mentioned and clues in any new reader to some of the recent background of these characters.
As a reader, I don't find it too jarring, but I can see when you were the artist who originated the visual narrative how it would be confounding to see everything diverted in a different direction.
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As for Jim Lee... I won't say too much. A lot of the Image guys were more about style than substance, but Lee did have substance under the style. Stiff and non-varied poses, over-developed musculatures, lack of variety in the faces, these things can all be genuinely levelled at him, but his artistic fundamentals were light years ahead of some (not all) of his Image contemporaries. As far as the X-Men go, I did find his art pretty to look at back in the day. Looking back, his enormously-muscled Cyclops was just so off the mark. Scott 'torso like a tree trunk' Summers.
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John Byrne
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Richard Palmgren
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Fantastic!II Enhanced by you, it's abundantly clear that it's a good thing they've only attacked one at a time. And to think, Cyclops got away with no one knowing it was he who started all this demon invasion stuff.
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John Byrne
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Looking back at that first N’Garai story, I'm reminded again of how I took it as part of my mandate on UNCANNY X-MEN to keep Chris focused. The demon story was his first "off the leash", not following plots already set in place by Len Wein. And right away he strays off model with a story that could have happened to pretty much any Marvel character(s). And from there slides right into the Shi'ar.I'll admit, as a reader, I did not pay much attention to this at the time. I was enjoying being swept along by Dave's art and Chris' purple prose. It really came home to me when my first issue as artist dropped me into the middle of an interstellar war, with about nine million characters that had nothing to do with mutants.
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as artist dropped me into the middle of an interstellar war, with about nine million characters that had nothing to do with mutants.------------------------------------------
Funny you should mention that as I just re-read 108. Did you have ANY say in any of that issue as far as plot or character design?
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John Byrne
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Funny you should mention that as I just re-read 108. Did you have ANY say in any of that issue as far as plot or character design?•• Not really. Modt and Jahf were mine, but everything else was already set in place--including Wolverine's "new costume". Chris gave me written plots, 15 pages for 17 page stories, and I just drew what I was told to. It wasn't until 113 (if memory serves) that I started exerting my influence.
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I think you did an amazing job on rendering a "Cockrum" demon/alien.
I do see the two influences you mentioned. It's been very illuminating getting your take on all this 'historical' stuff.
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Wow! Great drawing of those two!!!
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