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Brian Miller
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Posted: 21 September 2011 at 9:25am | IP Logged | 1  

And Rahne who was stuck with brush like straight hair suddenly grew luxurious beautiful tresses to go along with her new rack.

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Rahne was always kinds busomy. McLeod had her pretty developed for a teenager. Not unrealistically, tho. Dani was always mammary-challenged and Karma was somewhere in-between.

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Daniel Gillotte
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I dunno, Bryan.. wouldn't call Rahne Bosom-y- 
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I dunno, Bryan.. wouldn't call Rahne Bosom-y-

 

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Sounds like you're a man after my own heart, Daniel -- but I have found over the years that even when I draw what I consider to be slender female figures, such as Rahne in the image you posted, I still get told I am drawing "big boobs".

Apparently, in the minds of many, "average" is a whole lot smaller than what I think it is!!

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I loved the '80's where you had different body shapes. Then came the '90's and everyone became disfigured in the same way / proportions. Unbelievably long legs, massive, rock hard boobs, pin heads etc.

Can we go back please?

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Posted: 22 September 2011 at 6:20am | IP Logged | 5  

It looks to me that they've made Sam shorter.

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Sam started as a tall, lanky, awkward kid from Kentucky, who had a heart of gold, a great love of science fiction, and the beginnings of some admirable leadership qualities.........to being a buff, beefy, uber-handsome, medium-height, grim 'n gritty, arrogant, order-barking commandant who is sometimes cited (including in one edition of OHOTMU) as being from West Virginia.  Can't VertigoMarvel get anything right?  By gods, I think that they're determined to ruin everything they've ever created.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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In all my years reading comics, I've found that the best artists are those who can draw a wide variety of body types including a large selection of "sexy woman" types. If the first time I saw an artist's work, it was a drawing of a woman with enormous breasts, there was a fair chance that his work as a whole was crap.

Yes, there are exceptions. Adam Hughes has shown that he can draw a large variety beautiful women without putting basketballs on their chest, but I don't think people are going to complain if all he does for the rest of his career is draw Power Girl covers.

But that falls under the "some great artists prefer drawing big breasted girls, but also draw cute flat-chested women " category, which is not the same as the "Sucky artists can only convince us their women are supposed to be sexy by drawing big breasts on them" category.

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I always loved the fact that George Perez drew the three ladies in the New Teen Titans as having three different body types.  Starfire was a busty bombshell, Wondergirl had a smaller bust than Starfire and a more svelte frame, and Raven was flat-chested and narrow-hipped.  He gave them very distinctive faces, too, with Starfire's features being roundish, Raven's being hawkish, and Wondergirl's being somewhere in the middle.
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Trevor Smith
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Wow, here's a good long, angry article on how women are
being portrayed in the new 52. I was going to start a
whole thread for this, but I figured it fit nicely here:

LINK.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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I think she's right. Certainly those few pages from Red Hood and the Outlaws showed a Starfire that acted more like a burnt-out gonzo pornstar than the exuberant, warm-hearted "flower child"/Alien-Amazonian powerhouse that Wolfman and Perez gave us.

And it amazes me how much of the knee-jerk defense of Catwoman #1  is about how people who object to it are afraid of sex or strong women. It's about character. Batman was portrayed as a man with so little self-control that he was unable to stop himself from having wild, unprotected sex with a criminal whose identity he didn't know while in costume. Repeatedly. It turns their costumes into fetishes for the characters themselves. And Catwoman is portrayed as being completely at the mercy of her emotions and whims. Like Batman, apparently.  

Two rival characters, established as being exceptionally clever, shrewd and strong-willed, whose sexual banter has always been more a battle of wills than simple pick-up tactics, whose conflicting moral imperatives and objectives force them to set aside a strong attraction are reduced to the porn-cliche of two people so powered by hormones that they'd flush their last principle down the toilet for a hook-up.

It's bullshit.

Yes, we all know that Batman and Catwoman may have had a sexual relationship in the past, when they both knew eachother's identities and during periods when Catwoman was reformed and working as a hero. But the important part there is that then the problems keeping them apart would be (at least for a time) resolved. Or seem that way.

This stuff is lazy writing.

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Posted: 23 September 2011 at 9:39am | IP Logged | 10  

From Trevor's link.

And while as with all aesthetic opinions your mileage may vary, this does not look sexy to me; it looks like a creepy fanfiction drawing.

And there's the problem. Not that it looks like a fan fiction drawing but that is. Just as the story is fan fiction.
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Posted: 23 September 2011 at 9:53am | IP Logged | 11  

The problem is a simple one, really. Since the Comics Code Authority was abandoned, artists don't have to be CLEVER any more.

I seem always to go back to comments I read from WIllam Ware Theiss, who was the costume designer on the original STAR TREK. NBC had all kinds of arcane rules, in terms of which parts of the female body could be uncovered (for instance, the top of the breast could be shown almost down to the nipple, but the underside of the breast was forbidden), so Theiss created sexy costumes by uncovering parts that were no normally considered risque, like the upper hip, or by making the costumes look like the ladies were about to fall out of them at any moment (which, apparently, they frequently did!)

In other words, by being CLEVER.

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Posted: 23 September 2011 at 9:38pm | IP Logged | 12  

So, it appears the worm has turned. The "date books" are now for the artists and writers. That's okay though, the industry can make up for it with some token gesture to show how progressive it is.
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