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Rick Whiting
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I really enjoyed The Crew and hadn't heard all the stuff you mentioned. I'd love to know more and I searched but all I am finding is this article Priest wrote before issue #1 came out.

http://phonogram.us/comics/crew/start.htm

Rick, can you point me towards where your information is from?

Mike Howell, I can't recall where I read that article or interview with Priest about The Crew. I think (and I could be wrong) that it might have been at newsarama.

And thanks for posting the link. It seems that I have gotten several facts wrong (which I was recalling from memory) about The Crew. That's what I get for not double checking my facts before posting.
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 Rick Whiting wrote:
It's all about using hindsight and not repeating the same mistakes that other creators made.

I think that's a nice idea, but I can't see it working.  I really can't.  You'd have to have a total mindset change at Marvel from the top down for that to work as well as that mindset being enforced by a person who isn't afraid to establish total control, much in the way Disney does with it's product, in order for it to work.  Couple that with it being a mandate and sea change that would have to go into effect from this point forward, never to vary be it five or fifty years from today.  I think that ship has already sailed.  Sad to say, but the comic book product from DC (Warner Brothers) and Marvel (Marvel Entertainment) is just not that important in the grand scheme of things to anyone but a fan of the comic books.

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I think that ship has already sailed.

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Which sounds to me like a good reason to launch another one!
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BTW, as the number of hits on this thread continue to remain at astronomical numbers, I am trying to figure out how to charge everyone a buck for coming in to take a look. That would effectively pay for EVERMORE as a private commission for about 12 issues!
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Where do I send my buck?
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Just to be clear, I'm not endorsing what Marvel has been and is currently doing with their line of comic books.  I'm as disheartened by any fan of the medium over the insane decisions made by both Marvel and DC over the years, decisions I can see hurting their characters in a way Disney would never dream of doing. Sure, both companies seem to be doing well in the short term with their various enterprises outside of comic book publishing, but I think it's a pretty short sighted vision.  That said, what I'm doing is being realistic.  The publishing end of both companies just isn't that important to them.  It's R&D.  It's keeping something out there for fans of the characters to fill the gap between movies.  Occasionally we'll get some truly inspired series or story from the Big Two, but those tend to be few and far between.  The companies have abandoned a broad market, have closed off widespread distribution avenues, have even gone so far as to say that not only weren't they going to market their comics to kids, but that they don't read them any more so why even try.  Instead of firing that guy on the spot, they've embraced that idea for all but a very few low selling books aimed only at kids.  What happens?  Many fans eat that up and ask for more, so I don't really see an incentive for the kind of sea change needed by both companies. 

I may be able to give Marvel some slack, if only ever so slight, but DC is an arm of Warner Brothers.  Has been for 30 years.  They have characters that they've protected for decades; Bugs Bunny, Porky Pig, Daffy, Taz...the list goes on and on.  With the exception of a few off-model experiments that haven't gone anywhere, they've been second only to Disney in maintaining the integrity of the WB stable of characters.  But they can't seem to do that with their DC characters at all.  In fact, they really crap all over them to the point that many of them are totally unrecognizable.  The excuse may be that to a large majority of people, those that don't read the comics, Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and even Aquaman are instantly recognizable as characters used in media outside of comic books, so at the end of the day that's all that really matters.  It's sad to us that we can't recognize them in the medium in which they first came to life, but that medium, if not dying, is really hurting right now and, as a consequence of the multi-millions of dollars in revenue generated by a single film, of little to no concern in the grand scheme of things. 

So while I agree wholeheartedly with the notion that it would be great for both Marvel and DC to be as protective of their properties in all media at least as much as the WB is of their classic characters (Disney is on a whole 'nuther planet in this regard), I just don't see why they'd ever want to do it.  Certainly one big selling comic by Claremont isn't going to create a sea change of this magnitude.

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This works a lot better when I do it out loud, but try to imagine it in His voice -

I used my special O-Phone and called Him and he told me:

"Let me be clear here, uh...John... Byrne is ...thegreatestcomiccreatorofourera.  And... we...need...uh... himtoreturntoanx-mencomicbook.  Thank you.  Thank you.  Now, look....I've said it before, and...uh... I'm going to do... everything... uh... thatIcan... working with both sides of the aisle... Marvel AND DC...to see...uh...whatwecando... to Make This Happen.  Good night and god bless."

Look, JB.  The jig is up.  Obama has spoken. 

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Where do I send my buck?

Indeed. I'll start fundraising now if it makes this any more of a reality :)

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Certainly one big selling comic by Claremont isn't going to create a sea change of this magnitude.

I agree with your post 100% Matt --- but Sea Change, Schmee Change! If X-Men Forever were to lead to an X-Men Evermore book by JB its enough for me! 

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Posted: 26 June 2009 at 12:13pm | IP Logged | 10  

The high hit-count for this thread just indicates how much interest there would be in a Byrne/X-Men book. Hopefully somebody will make the first move.

Howard - not seen any postings from Ralph myself; the Tom Brevoort comment was made over at the Newsarama forums, but not directly from Tom - it was lifted from an email which Tom had apparently sent to a forum member who had contacted him concerning the matter.
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Posted: 26 June 2009 at 12:13pm | IP Logged | 11  

Mike:

Only Oprah has an "O Phone" you got a Barack Signal.

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Oh... Geoff... I thought you knew... I'm actually Steadman.  It's a disguise I use when I go out in public with pookie.. oh, or as you call her, Oprah.
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