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Brad Krawchuk Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 June 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 5819
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Posted: 08 March 2009 at 12:22pm | IP Logged | 1
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This was one of the reasons I insisted on including "origin" sequences in DARKSEID vs GALACTUS. Mark Gruenwald asked "Why? We all know this stuff." and I invoked the old "every issue is the first issue for somebody" rule.)
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Which is why, upon letting a friend read my copy, I was able to say "If you'd like to read more stories featuring Galactus or Darkseid, look here..."
You know, as opposed to Infinite Crisis or Batman R.I.P., which I had to lend out roughly seven or eight other trades with to explain what the hell was going on. "If you want to know why this unsatisfying deus ex machina is really actually the coolest thing ever, read issues 582-583 of this, which take place between these two panels, and issues 7-9 of this to explain what happens to so and so, and here's four trades of follow-up because the story doesn't end here, and you need to read this to find out what really happens!"
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Robert White Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4560
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Posted: 08 March 2009 at 12:34pm | IP Logged | 2
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I've always liked the term "comic book" or "comic" but one can't get around the fact that, as a descriptive term, it leaves much to be desired given the fact that most "comics" aren't humor/satire based anymore.
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Brad Krawchuk Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 June 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 5819
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Posted: 08 March 2009 at 5:29pm | IP Logged | 3
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Let's think about this a sec...
Movies are called movies because they're motion or moving pictures, correct? Got shortened to "movie." Compact Discs got shortened to CD's, and I am still unsure what DVD even stands for - is it Digital Versatile Disc, or Digital Video Disc? I've heard both - but neither as often as just plain DVD. And what did VHS mean?
DC comics used to be National. DC got the name from Detective Comics, though it is my understanding that the DC of DC Comics doesn't technically stand for anything - they just used the initials.
Stuff gets named and the names stick no matter what. In Canada, our dollar coin features a loon on the tails side. We unofficially called them Loonies. Our two dollar coin has a polar bear on the tails side. Some tried, at first, to use the term "bear bucks" like a five is a "fin." We had none of that. A two dollar coin is a Toonie. Nothing to do with the bear, and you wouldn't know why it was called that unless you first knew of the Loonie.
Comics have words and pictures, but most importantly pictures because a comic can still be a comic without a word on the page, but if it had no pictures it'd be a script or a prose book. The pictures aren't photographs though, so calling them "picture mags" would be too general. "Art mags" wouldn't work either. Is there really any other term but "comics" for all of them?
And if we're stuck with comics, then why can't we just have "comics magazines" and "comic books" as our broad categories for monthly issues and trades/HCs/graphic novels respectively? One is a comic in magazine form, the other a comic in book form. They're all comics.
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Tim Cousar Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 May 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1669
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Posted: 08 March 2009 at 8:12pm | IP Logged | 4
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Cartoon magazines?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 08 March 2009 at 9:09pm | IP Logged | 5
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"Cartoon" to most people means "funny". Hell, I have been chastised by
"serious" comicbook fans for calling myself a "cartoonist".
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Mikael Bergkvist Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 23 April 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 1857
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Posted: 08 March 2009 at 10:00pm | IP Logged | 6
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Sad part though, is that this trend to create genres tend to dry up the storytelling.
I mean that even though Rick O'Shay is a western, which could deal with some very serious subjects, like what the thirst for revenge does to a mans soul, it was often pure slap-stick, funny as hell.
Today, a western comic is just that - dead serious, all of the time. It doesn't have that emotional range that Rick O'Shay had / has, which made it such a rewarding read.
Spider-man used to have this quality too, but then somewhere along the way, lost the balance somehow.
Edited by Mikael Bergkvist on 08 March 2009 at 10:01pm
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Lars Johansson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 04 June 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 6113
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 1:58am | IP Logged | 7
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To me (disclaimer this is just in my opinion), "Adventure comics" isn't working on American comics. In Sweden, it would be The Phantom, Mark Twain and other social demcroat preferrable comics and books. There is a difference between an adventure and a drama to me. I don't know what the difference is really. Adventure means something approved by the government and is written differently, a hero, an adventure, something to learn. A comic to me is like a Dallas or other soap operas, but better, cliffhangers etc, for the mosty part no ending ever, I would call it drama or as Ingmar Bergman said about Dallas "a well written series", those words apply to the best comics too.
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Mikael Bergkvist Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 23 April 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 1857
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 3:14am | IP Logged | 8
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"Adventure means something approved by the government"
HAHAHAHA, that's the funniest thing I have read all day. Maybe it's true for some, I guess it depends on your point of view, to me an 'adventure strip' is something done some time ago.
I understand where you come from in regard to swedish social democrats and their view of comics, but it has a lot more to do with them being nostalgic than anything else.
A really good adventure is about people who are derailed from their normal surroundings, forced to interact with the unexpected in a prolonged and exhausting way, and most certainly in a very dangerous way, and who come out of it very different people because of that experience.
Imagine a young lad being recruited in the second world war, surviving it and returning home to tell the tale, a changed man.
There's an adventure for ya.
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Rob Spalding Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 June 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1152
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 3:40am | IP Logged | 9
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On the back of my copy of Watchmen, in the Alan Moore bio blurb, it calls him a "writer in the graphic story medium". Which just seems to be trying too hard to seem grown up.
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Pedro Bouça Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 1465
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 8:26pm | IP Logged | 10
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The magazine thing is interesting. In Portuguese and other languages I know, comics periodicals are usually called magazines. That also seems to be the case in british comics (although in UK they DO publish "magazine sized" comics).
Why is it that in the US they are called comic books? Is it the smaller size and (at the time they were created) higher page count?
(For those wondering, golden age comics had 60+ pages. I never saw an original golden age comic in my life, but imagine they were reasonably thick, since current-day "extra-sized" comics are like that.)
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Brad Brickley Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 March 2009 at 9:35am | IP Logged | 11
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Amazing, an Alan Moore story with no mention of graphic novel at all!! This journalist must not have received the memo. There is still hope.
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Ray Brady Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 March 2009 at 9:57am | IP Logged | 12
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The best term I can think of that accurately captures what the average comic
book really is would be "Illustrated Story Magazine".
That's not going to catch on, is it?
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