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Josh Goldberg
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I'm asking because it was more expensive and seemed to be higher quality paper, but other than that, it was a four part comic book miniseries.
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Josh Goldberg
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Or are there some things that just defy rigid catergorization?
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John Farnham
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So, by today's (Watchmen's) definition of "graphic novel" - I've got John Byrne's Man of Steel graphic novel, John Byrne's collection of Fantastic Four graphic novels, John Byrne's Captain America graphic novel.....
silly
I agree, Starlin's Death of Captain Marvel, Claremont/McLeod's New Mutants, John Byrne's She-Hulk, etc -- those are graphic novels. If something is originally written to be episodic (monthly comics with beginnings and endings every 22 pages) and then collected - it's a trade paperback or a hardcover collection.
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Donald Miller
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Josh asked:
So, then, what format was Frank Miller's four part "Dark Knight" as originally published?
Then answered:
it was a four part comic book miniseries.
And it is as simple as that.
Don
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John Byrne
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DAKR KNIGHT RETURNS was published originally as four "bookshelf format"
issues -- basically scaled down graphic novels. The format and the term
were invented for several reasons, some of them legal, and at least one was
because stuff was coming out that did not qualify as "graphic novels" in the
strictest sense.
GENERATIONS 1 & 2 were also published in "bookshelf format", as was
DARKSEID vs GALACTUS: THE HUNGER.
OMAC sort of invented its own slot, by being on "cheaper" paper in B&W.
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Orlando Teuta Jr
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I've used the word Comic-book all my life, and I'm not stopping. I have yet to hear anyone correct me or question me when I'm talking about comic-books. Everyone knows what they are. JB is right, it's mostly the "...aging fanboy, a snooty Hollywood director, or a sadly
misinformed "journalist" that seem to be embarrassed to call them what they are.
(Being a couple of months away from 40, am I considered a aging fanboy?)
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John Byrne
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"Fanboy" as we use it hereabouts (and as originally coined) is a pejorative,
designating the over-the-top trainspotter type fans.
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Paulo Pereira
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QUOTE:
| Then again... Dickens wrote Great Expectations as a series of articles
that were later collected in one book as a complete novel. So I could
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Agreed. And many of Dickens' works were originally published in serial form. Also, Stephen King's The Green Mile was originally published as a series of novelettes.
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Troy Nunis
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I think "bookshelf" was also termed "prestige" format - and it too was beaten into the ground by tons of weak material (particularly batman and JLA drek) which seemed to replace the notion of having "annuals" for a while. Basically good/shiny paper and a cardstock cover?
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Brad Brickley
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Are calling them Graphic Novels selling more comicbooks? Are they making more inroads this way? Will it help them survive and flourish? Are we getting our panties in an uproar over the term while at the same time forgetting that the product itself is the important thing?
I like the term comicbook, but if Marvel, DC, Darkhorse, or IDW can sell X number more of Capt. Fonbone by calling it a Graphic Novel instead of comics, isn't that better overall?
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Paulo Pereira
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The funny thing is this uncertainty over what to call comicbooks has been going on for nearly two decades, yet the term 'comicbook' survives.
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Rick Senger
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I think the first time I heard the term "graphic novel" (or something close to that) was a Denny O'neil / Marshall Rogers prose story called "Death Strikes at Midnight and Three" from DC Special Series #15 (a Batman Dollar Comic from summer, 1978)... I love Marshall Rogers' art, particularly on Batman, but even back then I felt like this was a pretentious term for what was a kinda disappointing effort. Somehow the term doesn't bother me as much now, but it does seem like the comic book term analog for "action figures" replacing "dolls."
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