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Brad Brickley
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Local paper The Herald and an interesting article with a local take about teens reading graphic novels about many subjects. 
I guess I can live with the knowledge I know what they're really supposed to be called.  Comicbooks.  I said it. 
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I know, you know, everyone here knows, but it's a conspiracy I tell you, A CONSPIRACY!
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I'm okay with books of a certain format being referred to as 'graphic novels' but the term doesn't work as a wholesale replacement for 'comicbooks.'
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Unless you're an aging fanboy, a snooty Hollywood director, or a sadly
misinformed "journalist".
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I'll call it a Graphic Novel if it was drawn and written as a self contained
large story and not a collection. That's it!
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The biggest problem I have with being called graphic novels, is listening to some TV presenter trying to sound like they know what they're talking about when they start in on some latest "Graphic Novel" tidbit.  It's almost like watching an old clip of some TV guy back in the 50's trying to be hip  "dancing" to rock and roll.  It's sad really.

As for the article, I think it's cools that kids are reading comics, but at the same time it's kind of sad that they're not reading the original books of something, almost like a Classics Illustrated, but maybe that's something they can come back to later.  I know I read plenty of Classics Illustrated before I read the books.
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My general thoughts...

Comic Book - an ongoing series or mini-series.

Trade Paperback or Hardcover - a collected edition of said above.

Graphic Novel - a trade or hardcover containing material that wasn't previously released as a comic book. Can be part of a series of ongoing graphic novels (as novels can be part of series).

I own the Ultimate Spider-Man HC collections, I have the Graphic Novels Pride of Baghdad and The Alcoholic, and I collect the comics Secret Six and Green Lantern.

Then again... Dickens wrote Great Expectations as a series of articles that were later collected in one book as a complete novel. So I could live with things like Watchmen, Y the Last Man, Preacher, Sandman, etc being considered "Graphic Novels" since, as collected together, they form one story. I'd never call a collected edition of Superman or Green Lantern or Spider-Man a graphic novel, though - they are ongoing characters, and even the collections I have which are "complete" still build off of stuff that happened before, and lead to stuff that comes later.
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This side of the Pond, "graphic novel" was originally coined to describe a
specific format, also called "bookshelf edition". Jim Starlin's DEATH OF
CAPTAIN MARVEL was, as I recall, the first American "graphic novel" --
completely original material packaged in a upscale, more expensive format.

Always eager to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, Marvel pretty
quickly cheapened that term by taking any inventoried crap that happened
to be lying around and printing it on "good" paper. A lot of stuff intended
for annuals ended up as "graphic novels".
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So, then, what format was Frank Miller's four part "Dark Knight" as originally published?
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