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Hector Marrs
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Posted by Paulo
As for the Beast effortlessly hefting that 500 lb. barbell, did something happen to him between that panel and this one in AVENGERS 184 where he can't lift the Absorbing Man's ball & chain?--
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As far as the Beast not being able to lift the Absorbing mans ball and chain is due to the mystical properties as Thor's Hammer.Only the Absorbing can lift it.
The Absorbing man was given his powers by the Asgardians.I can't remember if it was Loki or what not.If anyone else has been able to lift it Hulk etc.It's due to a lack of continuity on Marvels part.
Edited by Hector Marrs on 19 May 2008 at 9:01am
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Paulo Pereira
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| As far as the Beast not being able to lift the Absorbing mans ball and
chain is due to the mystical properties as Thor's Hammer.Only the
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Loki gave the Absorbing Man his powers in JIM 114. I don't remember reading that the ball and chain could only be lifted by Absorbing Man, though I suppose it makes a kind of sense. Do you remember where this was established, Hector?
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Christopher Alan Miller
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Actually in that same issue the Vision picked up the ball and chain and used it against the Absorbing man. It's probably best to write it off as the Beast making a joke.
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Kevin Hagerman
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Does Creel confer his power into the ball? In that issue he briefly had the properties of Captain America's shield. Maybe a ball and chain made up of shieldstuff would weigh a LOT?
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Paulo Pereira
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Good point; Vision was also holding it on the splash page of the next issue. Then, again, I'm not sure of the rule re: machines, robots or androids. However, again, no description I've (OHOTMU, for instance) says anything about it.
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Robert White
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Colossus' ranking is odd given that before this was created, he held his own with Gladiator. That's something that nobody else on the "super-mediumweights" could ever hope of doing.
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But then he'd ditched the shield properties (inexplicably), fought the Vision, absorbing his intangibility, thereby falling into the water (and becoming water), leaving his weapon a normal ball & chain.
In any case, I don't know if whatever that alloy in the form of a ball would make the Beast struggle so.
Edited by Paulo Pereira on 19 May 2008 at 10:16am
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Christopher Alan Miller
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Does Creel confer his power into the ball? In that issue he briefly had the properties of Captain America's shield. Maybe a ball and chain made up of shieldstuff would weigh a LOT?
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I don't see how. Captain America throws his shield quite easily.
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Heck, he fared better than heavyweight Ben Grimm.
However, if anyone remembers the Marvel RPG, they had a rather broad-ranging categories: Incredible, Amazing, etc. I think they probably saw those pages.
(And still wondering why Colossus is so short).
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Does Creel confer his power into the ball? In that issue he briefly had the properties of Captain America's shield. Maybe a ball and chain made up of shieldstuff would weigh a LOT?
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I don't see how. Captain America throws his shield quite easily.
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Then it comes down to how many shields could be made from the ball and chain. It's not a 1:1 by any means. But it sounds like the alloy/ball and chain issue wasn't an issue at that point. The Beast was probably goofing around.
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(edited to delete because I'm an idiot)
Edited by Paulo Pereira on 19 May 2008 at 10:40am
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Don't think the character scale is meant to be taken literally looking at how Spider-Man is portrayed.
I say this on the assumption that Layton (who I'm a fan of, by the way) had seen at least some of the Cockrum/Byrne X-Men art of the period.
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