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James Woodcock
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Does that Marvel policy allow the swipers to swipe from a Marvel comic as the copyright belongs to Marvel?

I think it might, certainly from the point of view of copyright. However, the line about the art being derivitive and having gone too far could be cited as a general catch all policy.

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Anyone else find it funny that the Marvel employee who wrote that letter has a last name of "Bogart"? 
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It looks to me like the intent of that letter is not to stop swiping necessarily, but simply to make it clear that if anyone is going to pay out in a lawsuit, it is the artist, not Marvel.

The letter states "your...contract requires you to represent that everything you are doing for Marvel is original."

In the event of a lawsuit, Marvel will point to those contracts and then point to this letter as proof that the artists were made aware of and had their attention called to this fact. This gives Marvel the ability to say that they had every reason to believe that the work was in fact original.
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Anyone else find it funny that the Marvel employee who wrote that letter has a last name of "Bogart"?

Now that you mention it, yes.

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I'm surprised to the see the letter is not dated.

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Knut Robert Knutsen
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" This gives Marvel the ability to say that they had every reason to believe that the work was in fact original."

Formally, yes. But if they think that letter will protect them in an actual lawsuit ...

The swiped works have been publically commented on, and it's on a title (Daredevil) that the editor in chief himself regularly (sort of) contributes to. Mack has even "imitated" Quesada on certain sequences. Any "wall" they think they've erected by that letter is effectively pierced.

It's more likely that Marvel is gambling that no-one affected by the swiping is willing to go to the expense of suing them (aside from the cost of hiring a lawyer, there's not much money to be gained -individually- in a win and there's the cost of being blacklisted by Marvel - a virtual guarantee.)

The letter is just a PR thing so that every time the issue of swiping comes up they can say they have a strict policy against it. (Albeit only in theory, certainly not in practice.)

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I think what should be done is challenge DC and Marvel (as lead publishers, with others possibly following suit) to voluntarily enter into a "no-swiping" contract with the readers whereby every time someone catches one of their artists swiping for a book, the company has to pay a "fine" to some comics-related aid organization like The Hero Initiative (is that still the name?). Origin recaps and story recaps etc. would of course be exempt. But in order to enforce a "no-swiping" rule it has to be the company that pays. Strictly on a volunteer basis, you understand. To show that they're serious.



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Matthew Hansel
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Wouldn't that M***** letter effectively END Greg Land's career?

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Brian Floyd
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You know what I think would end this shit? If a company finds out an artist is swiping, then the next time he does a comic for them, they send a portion of his paycheck to the artist or artists he swiped from. Half of it, if its all swiped from one artist, then going on from there. If its someone like Land, then you pay him 1/10th his rate since he's more or less a tracer.
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Martin Redmond
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I can't defend his taking of DVD still frames verbatim or tracing other people's drawings, but alot of his work is actually some pretty legit usage of photographs. I don't think anyone could use photographs and create something as coesive as some of the work I've seen from him.
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Having said that! Of course with digicams being so cheap, there's no excuse not to take your own photos...
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Al Cook
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Wow, Martin. That would totally mess up Greg Land. Everyone would look
like the same, lonely guy...
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