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Keith Elder
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That drawing Mack did based off the photograph doesn't really bother me... it looks like it was redrawn, not traced, and it's always been obvious Mack uses models.
That Kabuki/Alan Davis swipe is disheartening, though... Mack is so damn good, why swipe a pose that closely (even down to how the fingers are spread)?
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Charles Valderrama
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Knut Robert Knutsen wrote:
Eisner, Kubert, Kirby, Buscema (both),
Romita (both), Ditko, Aparo, Swan, Schaffenberger, Alcala, Andru, Kane.
There's more. There's even another list with people who have drawn
monthlies most of the their career, but not so much now.
Name 10 artists who are better than those and don't do
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JB, José Luis García-López, Michael Golden, Adam Hughes, Jason Pearson,
Alan Davis, Walter Simonson, Arthur Adams... off the top of my head. i'd
LOVE it if these artists would produce books on a monthly basis. ( i'd be
broke too!!!)
BTW, i never said really good artists couldn't handle a workload of
22 pages a month-- i just assume they have chosen not to.
'Course, it could be the fault of the editorial staff that choses creative
teams for the books.
Also just to clarify-- i didn't mean to use the word "productivity" as a
BAD word; i meant that most of the artists i really admire haven't stepped
up to do a monthly in a while. Maybe it's not their fault but i wish they
could be more involved in the industry as they were years ago.
-C!
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Robert Bradley
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The problem with swiping from photographs in magazines is that those photos are generally copyrighted.
If you're going to use photo reference like that, do what alex ross does and hire your own models, or just go and use stock photos.
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Jozef Brandt
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There's a ****rama thread where Mack "defends" himself. Kinda sad IMO. Aleev and one of the other swiped artists post in the thread actually.
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Robert LaGuardia
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Matthew McCallum:That Kabuki swipe: Where does the original Alan Davis picture from? It looks
familiar, but I don't recall the source. (X-Men? Excalibur?) |
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That's from Uncanny X-Men annual 11
Edited by Robert LaGuardia on 29 February 2008 at 12:53am
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Thorsten Brochhaus
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A large number of people think that the swiped image came from the mind
and talent of the artist they're looking at...not the person that
originally did it!
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And a large number of people just don't care. They couldn't care less how the art is produced. If I buy a car and the dashboard design is "swiped" from another companys car I probably wouldn't care too, as long as I like it. Thats how a lot of people (even more back in Liefelds heydays) see it.
Don't get me wrong, it doesn't make it any better. Just saying.
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Lars Johansson
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OT, but this is an article about plagiarism
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Business/2008/02/20/swedes_comp lain_about_marc_jacobs_scarf/6340/
For your viewing pleasure here is the current Marc Jacobs scarf from the spring collection
And here is the creator's son who shows his father's Swedish creation from the fifties.
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Paulo Pereira
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I like how the feet are unswiped.
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Paulo Pereira
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| By the way, it is swiping to draw from a live photograph as opposed to another artist's creation? |
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Simple answer: if the photo is copyrighted, yes.
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Joe Hollon
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Liefeld must've almost literally flipped through his back issue comics, found panels he liked by other artists and built his stories around piecing them together using his characters. What a sham.
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Paulo Pereira
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The thing I find annoying about that Kabuki swipe (of which I also posted a larger version on page 5 of this thread) is that not only does Mack sign the work, he also signs the comic book. I can't say why that annoys me, it just does.
As for the swipe of the photo, I'm not a fan of this practice either, except in special cases (likenesses or iconic photographs). Photorealism is generally boring to me.
Edited by Paulo Pereira on 29 February 2008 at 8:10am
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Martin Redmond
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Linchensten was one of the very first museum exhibitions I saw here. We were really hyped up about it and left less than thrilled. It's trash, don't bother. And don't get me wrong, I love contemporary arts exhibits, especially the interactive useless mechanisms or bizarre room set ups.
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If he had at least changed the framing or the models' faces, sure. Yet, here they are, line for line doing the same thing. I don't think it's a fair theft at all.
Edited by Martin Redmond on 29 February 2008 at 8:13am
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