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Erik Larsen Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 February 2008 Location: United States Posts: 344
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Posted: 28 February 2008 at 7:34pm | IP Logged | 1
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Few readers will say, "Oh, Brand X comics uses Leifeld -- I'm not buying
their crappy books anymore..." and drop an entire comic book company's
product.
They may not buy his books but they're unlikely to say, "Marvel puts out 100
books--I don't like one of them--therefor I won't buy ANYTHING that they
publish."
And most fans do not catch swipes. Hell, there are quite a few in this thread
that I never noticed and I'm usually pretty good at spotting them.
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Joel Tesch Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 28 February 2008 at 7:46pm | IP Logged | 2
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"And most fans do not catch swipes. Hell, there are quite a few in this thread that I never noticed and I'm usually pretty good at spotting them."
Exactly! And that's the biggest injustice of all when it comes to the swipe. A large number of people think that the swiped image came from the mind and talent of the artist they're looking at...not the person that originally did it!
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Martin Redmond Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 28 February 2008 at 8:25pm | IP Logged | 3
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Rob Liefeld is a has been of the distant past, let's take a look at fresh talent! David Mack, his work looks so real? How does he do it? Condom Adverts? Surprise! The black widow's changed nationalities for this pic.
How did he emulate Alan Davis so well?
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Wallace Sellars Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 28 February 2008 at 8:31pm | IP Logged | 4
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Lucky! I find the opposite -- bad art can destroy a good story, while great
art can elevate a poor story.
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Sometimes it's not until a creative team splits that I realize the writer isn't
really as good as I thought. It was the artist that had me hooked!
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Matthew McCallum Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 28 February 2008 at 8:49pm | IP Logged | 5
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That Kabuki swipe: Where does the original Alan Davis picture from? It looks
familiar, but I don't recall the source. (X-Men? Excalibur?)
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Brad Hague Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 December 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1717
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Posted: 28 February 2008 at 9:00pm | IP Logged | 6
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Wow!
In that Leifeld swipe of JB's Human Torch, Leifeld somehow was able to do the swipe and STILL not draw the feet.
Amazing!
Those are interesting perspectives on the falling of the comics market from Mr. Bryne and Mr. Larsen. Thanks for sharing. It is also interesting to see the difference of perspective based on one being in the middle of the speculation market, and the other watching it from the outside (relatively).
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Brad Hague Byrne Robotics Member
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By the way, it is swiping to draw from a live photograph as opposed to another artist's creation?
I never realized that about Mack. Incredible.
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Didier Yvon Paul Fayolle Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 28 February 2008 at 9:33pm | IP Logged | 8
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There was a case several years ago, in France. A relatively successful artist had made a comics and one sequence happened in a submarine. He looked around for references to be accurate. He found a book of photographies. Swept some. The photographer somehow found it out. He sued him, a big court thing who shook the comics artists community in France.
The artist stopped drawing. He is now concentrating on writing scripts for comics instead and been an editor for a specific line of comics for a publisher.
As I was already back in HK, and just heard about it just recently, I don't know more about the results of the court thing.
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Jason Czeskleba Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 28 February 2008 at 10:11pm | IP Logged | 9
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Peter Hicks wrote:
Not sure if you are joking or not, but I loved Rich Buckler's art in
the 1970s on FF, Avengers, and Deathlock. I am not denying the swiping
allegations, but I have yet to see anyone post some side-by-side proof
of Rich doing it. Are there any online?
BTW - Rich said that once he stopped trying to draw like other
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I guess that's why he's swiping Dali now. I don't know that there's any side-by-side online comparison of Buckler's work, but yes, he was a well-known swiper. You can spot lots of direct Kirby swipes in his FF work. Or take a look at his run on World's Finest... direct swipes of Adams, Novick, Aparo, Garcia-Lopez, Dillon and many more abound. Seeing all those styles mixed together in one story is more surreal than the paintings he's doing now.
I should say that I still like his work, however, when he eschewed the swiping (or kept it to a minimum). He did know how to tell a story.
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 28 February 2008 at 10:13pm
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Felicity Walker Byrne Robotics Member
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Not only does Lichtenstein imply that comics are not art, and not only does he steal comics art without even crediting the source, but he makes bad comics art. The inking, the lettering--it’s atrocious. He’s not even a competent tracer!
Edited by Felicity Walker on 28 February 2008 at 11:08pm
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Felicity Walker Byrne Robotics Member
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The nail in the coffin came when investors tried to cash in on their investments. With sales in the millions--these books didn’t stand a chance. Few books retained any real value (Spawn fared well--most others did not). |
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Last week, I was standing in line at the cash register at my local comic shop’s customer appreciation sale, and I saw a boy paying $1 for a Spawn #1. And I turned to my friend and said, tongue in cheek, “Wow! Spawn #1 for a dollar? I would have thought it would be worth millions by now!”
The last few years have seen the end of the double standard that used to exist in the comic shops, where if you wanted to sell your “valuable” X-Men #1, etc., for the price listed in the Comic Book Price Guide, they’d reply, “No thanks; we’ve already got too many of them.” But if you wanted to buy an X-Men #1, then it was the full price listed in the Guide. Well, not any more. In the last few years I’ve seen all the “hot” comics of 15 years ago in the 25¢ bin--X-Men #1, Spider-Man #1, X-Force #1, WildCATS #1, all of it.
Edited by Felicity Walker on 28 February 2008 at 10:54pm
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Felicity Walker Byrne Robotics Member
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“Farrante” in that Neal Adams Ben Casey strip looks like Aldus Hilltop!
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