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Steve Lieber Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 08 March 2007 at 6:52pm | IP Logged | 1
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Ed, I wouldn't worry about the kids. Children in the USA have better access to comics than ever before. The graphic novel category is hugely popular at school and public libraries, generating spectacular circulation numbers. There are 93,000 school libraries in the US and 9,000 public libraries, most of which offer access to inter-library loan programs. And their money is every bit as good as the grocery rack distributors. (Better actually, because it's more reliable and less corrupt, but that's another story.)
When I was a kid, my local library's collection of "Comic books, strips, etc." was less than a third of a shelf. If I wanted to read anything else, I had to buy it. (And I didn't have the money, so I was screwed.) Today I see that in my old library, that subject heading alone has over two thousand different titles, and that's just that one system. Add in inter-library loan and you can barely imagine just how many comics are available to young readers.
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Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 08 March 2007 at 7:03pm | IP Logged | 2
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Interesting point-- there are comic books at my library. They have the new Batman, Green Arrow, Batman/Superman, Birds of Prey, and Nightwing.
My kids grabbed them and were treated to violence that they and I were shocked by.
They aren't allowed to look at them anymore.
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Chad Carter Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 08 March 2007 at 7:40pm | IP Logged | 3
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I succeeded in convicing the library where I work, the purchasing agent, to order enough SHOWCASE and ESSENTIALS that she could manage to get the library "discount" for. Each branch of the system, four libraries, received a handful of each, GREEN LANTERN, SUPERMAN, SUPERMAN FAMILY, FF, SPIDER-MAN, CHALLENGERS OF THE UNKNOWN, Kirby X-MEN, others...
The libraries can't keep them on the shelves. They are in constant circulation. I figured, "That's right. There's your goddamn 'audiences are too sophisticated today'. The kids love this stuff. It's timeless."
When I pointed this out to a friend, my age (36), who is also a huge comic book devotee, he said, "Yeah, well. It's probably not kids. It's old balding guys like us geeking out over these things."
So, what's your verdict? Is it the kids? Is it guys my age passing these stories down to their kids? Or is it just men who remember comics and are revisiting?
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Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 08 March 2007 at 7:54pm | IP Logged | 4
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I wish my library would do that. They get random comic trades-- Astonishing X-Men, Ultimate Fantastic Four. Then where do they shelve them? Deep in the stacks, top shelf, next to the commercial art books. I have to look up, and I'm 6'1".
Chad- can you tell who's checking those Showcase/Essentials out? Is it kids at your library?
(Maybe the Patriot Act can help in getting an answer to this question, right?)
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Chad Carter Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 08 March 2007 at 8:02pm | IP Logged | 5
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I see the S/Es on return carts, and I'm not certain who is checking them out, as I don't work in the circulation department. I'm a grunt.
They are designated "YA" for Young Adult, and I really don't have a problem with that. YA includes any kid whose reading level is above what's termed "Juvenile", and in the case of S/Es, the target audience should probably be those young teens who read YA stuff. If that's the case, then there's some kids around 10-16 or so digging on stuff we read in 1976.
That's what I hope anyway.
The library system I work for, Central Rappahanock Regional Library in VA, offers a service to buy any material requested by a patron. Like, if someone thinks we should own LAWRENCE OF ARABIA SPECIAL EDITION, and it's feasible for the library to purchase it, then they will.
If that's the case across the board, every one of us in a stone's throw from our libraries should request these books be put in their circulation. At least it's something viable to try and get kids into these books.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 08 March 2007 at 8:04pm | IP Logged | 6
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"Sadly, I still can't...."
Me neither, of course !
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Joe Cavelos Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 March 2007 at 8:08pm | IP Logged | 7
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I think it is growing. Please see my previous comments on the state of Marvel's 140% increase in publishing revenue over the past seven years for reasons.
I can't give anything other than that. I wish I could. I will admit it now. I don't talk to anyone about comics except those online and some friends of mine I have had for years. Those friend are much like me and they find the current style of Marvel comics interesting. I have a friend with a 10 year old daughter, and she is getting into some. I also see them in more and more places. Its a tiny piece and for my one good set of observations I am sure there are a dozen different ones.
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Wade Duvall Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 08 March 2007 at 8:15pm | IP Logged | 8
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I've been pessimistic for years, but things don't seem any worse than they did 5 years ago--
I just returned to comic collecting/reading in 2001 after about an 8 year absence. If anything, I am buying more comics now than I did in 2001 and definitely more than I was buying in the late 80s and early 90s. Lots of good stuff out there to choose from to read every month. And this is coming from a guy who mostly buys Marvel with some DC thrown in.
That being said, I am looking at this from the perspective of a 38yo reader. I think most comics are geared towards the adult market. Not sure if the Comic business is gaining any new (younger) readers. Too much other stuff for kids to spend their money on like video and computer games etc...
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Steve Lieber Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 08 March 2007 at 8:29pm | IP Logged | 9
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Mark: I can't speak to the ones you've listed, but I certainly agree that a lot of current monthlies aren't good choices for young readers. Here's a few I'd recommend : Bone The Tintin books Tezuka's Astro Boy Kirby and Ditko reprints in the Marvel Essentials line. (I can't begin to express how jealous I am that kids today have such easy access to Kirby's complete run on Fantastic Four.) W.I.T.C.H. Owly Root Nibot and Colleen Coover's Banana Sunday Mark Crilley's Akiko Linda Medley's Castle Waiting What's Michael Asterix Tove Janson's Moomin The Complete Peanuts books Jeff Parker's Marvel Adventures digests Ted Naifeh's Courtney Crumrin Stan Sakai's Usagi Yojimbo Carl Barks' Uncle Scrooge
Chad: I talk to quite a few librarians; my wife is a teen services specialist for the local library system. The category broadly defined as "graphic novels"- comic book and comic strip reprints, original graphic novels and translated foreign editions- are hugely popular with young readers.
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Steve Lieber Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 11 March 2007 at 3:43am | IP Logged | 10
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Oops. Didn't mean to kill the thread. Anyhow, here's a quick look at what the bookstore market is buying.
The numbering gets weird at the end. I suspect that whoever did the web-coding was confused as to whether "300" was a title or a ranking. Still, an interesting list, and the note about BONE is particularly impressive.
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Steve, although I appreciate that you've listed books you think are good choices for young readers, I can't help but be disheartened that you haven't listed one current mainstream superhero book being published by either Marvel or DC. Not one. Zero. I think that's incredibly telling with regard to the long term health of the mainstream superhero comic industry.
It's great that there are independent books that are geared toward young readers, but I think it's really sad that some of the first books listed aren't CAPTAIN AMERICA, THE AVENGERS, SPIDER-MAN, SUPERMAN, BATMAN, et al.
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Steve Lieber Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 11 March 2007 at 4:00am | IP Logged | 12
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Jeff Parker's work on the Marvel Adventures books doesn't count? I listed those (in the digest form, which is what libraries are more likely to shelve.)
Edited by Steve Lieber on 11 March 2007 at 4:01am
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