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Dwayne Ferguson
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I remember this being discussed before. Didnt think the whole thing was a big deal then and dont now. The only thing that gets on my nearves about this question is that in the past it has always been used as one of those untrue anti-byrne stories saying he hated Kirby- which is obviously not true based on the thousands of comments about Kirby on this very board.
One thing that bugged me about Kirby is that I have heard he did the very same thing marvel did to him to other artists that worked for him- but suddenly years later it was wrong what they did to him.
Edited by Dwayne Ferguson on 15 August 2006 at 5:39pm
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Neil Welch
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I agree it's probably not a big deal, yet I am interested in what the story is. I'd rather this "imported question" silliness would be set aside so we could hear the inside scoop.
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Jay Matthews
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Neil Welch wrote:
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Well now you can be virtually assured that it won't be, right? Not very good at steering things your way, are you?
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David Miller
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Dwayne: Care to share some details about Kirby's ethics? I've heard a number of people make similar insinuations, but I never hear specifics. Did some pencilers in his shop co-create massively -- or even modestly -- sucessful serial characters that Kirby claimed credit for?
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Jason Czeskleba
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I am also very curious as to what you're referring to, Dwayne. Without specifics you are just fomenting a "bad Kirby story."
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Jason Czeskleba
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JB wrote:
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Heh, you shoulda lied and said you were, Neil. The guy over there just goes by the name "Atom."
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 15 August 2006 at 7:11pm
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Matt Reed
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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have heard that while Kirby
wanted the return of his art from Marvel, when running his own studio/
company, he kept all the artwork of artists working for him based on the
very same work-for-hire reasons that were in place at the time and that
Marvel used as justification for keeping his work. If true, that's always
sounded more than a little hypocritical to me.
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Kurt Anderson
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QUOTE:
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have heard that while Kirby
wanted the return of his art from Marvel, when running his own studio/
company, he kept all the artwork of artists working for him based on the
very same work-for-hire reasons that were in place at the time and that
Marvel used as justification for keeping his work. If true, that's always
sounded more than a little hypocritical to me. |
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I wouldn't post that without knowing that it was 100% true.
Folks around here give little slack to "I heard that John Byrne...." posters, I'd give Kirby the same benefit of the doubt.
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Matt Reed
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That's why I asked for correction and added the "if true" bit, Kurt. If you
know anything, please share. I'm not assuming anything.
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It's the first I've heard of it. I'd just hate to see it passed along if it wasn't true. If anyone would have the answer, I would think that Mark Evanier would. He's great at answering e-mails.
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Matt Reed
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Good idea, Kurt. Don't know that I'll have the time to do that this evening,
but if this isn't answered by tomorrow, I'll poke around his site and write
him an email.
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David Miller
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I'll have trouble believing this is an apples to apples comparison
without knowing which artists were involved, what their specific
contribution was to the books,
which comics they created and when it happened. I think there's a
difference between doing contracted assistance to an artist like Jack
Kirby, and being Kirby himself, and working for a studio or packager is
different from being a freelancer in your own right. Kirby
created dozens of characters,
penciled thousands of pages (in the Marvel style, no less),
and plotted hundreds of stories for Marvel. I doubt anyone
working for
Kirby's studio whenever this is supposed to have happened was making
such a crucial, obvious and long-lasting contribution to the creation
of classic books and characters.
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