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Bosch Fawstin
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Posted: 31 July 2008 at 2:25pm | IP Logged | 1  

Pigskin leather boot finds him....http://fawstin.blogspot.com/2008/03/steppin-in-it.html
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What the hell, guys? A serious question was asked and we get this juvenile BS as a response. Before jumping all over Bosch with stupidity, do a little research on the subject. There are tons of books and websites that deal with this very real threat head-on, as Bosch is brave enough to do in graphic novel form.

 

And thanks, Bosch, for taking a necessary stand when very few around you are awake enough to understand and appreciate it. I sure as hell do. Looking forward to The Infidel soon.

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I think it's a case of too soon.
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Bosch Fawstin
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Thanks for the words, Mike, have to say that I expected the crude denial on display, but that there'd be one or two who get it.

And David, too soon? I've heard this before, and it's usually said by people who couldn't care less to find out the truth behind the enemy's war on us. They're fighting us tooth and nail, with bombs and propaganda, in every which way they can, while we use as little of our power as we can against them. None of us were ready for 9/11 and many of us are still not ready to deal with it. Ready or not, deal with it we must and comics is a great way of telling the truth about it.

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I don't think there's as much romanticism/mystique around war as there may have been during WW II.  I'd guess that was an outgrowth of Viet Nam but I don't think people are as interested in storytelling based on an ongoing war.  Even a show like M*A*S*H* was careful to make it's points in a more symbolic and detached way.
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Robbie Patterson
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I agree with Joe Zhang.
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Bosch Fawstin
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John,

I don't think, in all seriousness, there's ever been any romantic notions about war in America, especially in WW2. Now, the romance may have come from those who began the war, but not from those who had to fight them back. It was just that we as nation were more willing to do what needed to be done and those who didn't fight did their part. War's an ugly thing, nothing good about it at all, which is why the quicker those who start wars are defeated the shorter the war. Unlike today, when we proceed from false assumptions about what this war's about and have allowed it to go on forever with no end in sight.



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I agree about the real ugliness, but I think there's a simplistic romanticism to a lot of older war comics/stories/movies that I don't believe would fly nowadays, for better or for worse.  There's a lot more news coverage of wars that can get so close to the action, I think it keeps people from getting too caught up in the notion of the heroes coming over the hill, so to speak.
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Bosch Fawstin
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Yeah, but that news coverage is almost always slanted to the left and it rips off the humanity and heroism of those who are fighting on our behalf. That's a rotten thing and I think we're left here trying to pick up the deficit in telling the truth as writers and artists, telling the truth about what's really happening since most of the information that's coming has been so twisted we don't know who or what to believe. A story can create a focus for it all and get behind the mind of the enemy and behind the mind of those who are fighting them in a way that sound bites and quick images cannot.

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I understand the scars from 9/11 leading to the empowering fantasy of go out and get someone, but the reality's just not that way.  There's no flag, no uniform, no country to attack and end the threat.  Even getting Osama wouldn't end terrorism.  Terrorism isn't an idealogy, it's a kind of attack.

And it's also no so simple to paint Islam as the obvious threat, as if every Muslim is a present enemy or a future enemy, but that's not the case, either.

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Bosch Fawstin
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Yes, it's not simple, but what thing of importance ever is? and that still doesn't explain why it's not been taken on 7 years after the atrocity. Many of us, even those charged to protect us, are acting as if 9/11 didn't happen and that whoever brings it up is a problem, most especially those who connect the dots to the enemy's ideology, which has a base in a religion. This is something worth taking on in comics, big time and I am still surprised that it hasn't been.

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"While individual Muslims may be against violence in the name of their religion, Islam isn't. And Mohammed wasn't. That's the problem we face, that 'one of the world's great religions' sanctions the murder of non-Muslims and that this was practiced by Mohammed. "

Not disagreeing with you on that, but christians were the ones who (in the spanish conflict with the moors) coined the phrase "kill them all and let God sort them out.".

Which is why I pointed out that I see the conflict more in terms of secular versus religious (and no, I'm not saying that secular ideologies don't kill people). 

Often, when I hear people in my country complain about Islam being violent and murderous they mean "as opposed to christianity" which is simply not true. It's the slow and gradual introduction of humanism into the christian religion that eventually curbs its violent and murderous manifestations. And that humanism has been gradually flowing into islam as well (though not yet as widespread) . Which is why a lot of moslems, when they say their religion is not violent, actually believe it. Just like christians say that their religion is non-violent, tolerant, pro-gender-equality or  pro-gay etc and actually believe it.

Delusional, perhaps, but there it is.

Fighting extremists, while supporting moderates and encouraging Islamic Humanism might be our best bet. What I really fear is that this degenerates into a Christian vs Moslem conflict with the rest of us (I'm an atheist / secular humanist) caught in the middle.

From my perspective, all religion is wrong in one way or another. But with the sheer numbers on the other sides, all we've got are attempts at rational argument and encouraging moderates on all sides. On the hope that they'll trip down that slippery slope to secular humanism.

As for promoting my own views? A hardline propaganda war on Islam doesn't accomplish any of my objectives as a writer / artist and might actually impede my success at getting my messages across.  But if you feel it accomplishes your goals, while I don't think it will, I can certainly see why you have your heart set on it.

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