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Zaki Hasan
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Heh.
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No thanks. Again; principle.

Wes could have made his point without sending the guy free traffic. (Not
calling you out, Wes. Just sayin', is all.)
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Bosch wrote:
"Kevin, you're so scared of the simple, black and white truth that Islam and it's Jihad are the problem that you're desperate to blame something else, anything else, but apparently aren't up to naming that something else. Genius."

Thanks for letting me know not to spend my money on your work.  Not that too many do anyways I'm sure...
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Come on folks.  I'm just trying to get like minds together.  It's networking, I tell ya!  Don't you remember when the guy from that link came here and we went through essentially the same thing until Alex Ross released those prints/t-shirts of Bush and Cheney and he took off to attack him?  Besides, it's not like I linked to any comic that just came out last week, or anything.
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Principles be damned Al, this is art!

umm, I think Larry Elmore did it.

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Wes Wescovich
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Sorry Al.  I guess I could have just sent the links direct to Bosch, but I wouldn't want to deny any of his supporters here a chance to peruse similar products.  Anyone, anyone, Bueller?

edited because I thought I heard crickets.


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   To which I would like to contribute to this thread with a few observations of my own...

   I'm none too fond of Bin Laden and other terrorists who use the philosophy and religion of their people as a cover for what it is they're apparently really doing, which is setting themselves up as champions for the poor and downtrodden while basically engaging in bloody raids against whatever target seems most open for them to strike.  In fact, I think it downright stinks, irregardless of whether or not there is justification for the causes declared.  That being said, we have little recourse but to keep Al Qaeda from regaining a stronghold from which to build up its strength and strike again as they did on September 11th, 2001 (and worse, if the oft-repeated threats are to be believed).

   At the same time, I've found Bosch's contributions to this thread to be a little one-dimensional and... getting tired.  It doesn't make me want to even go look for his product, such as it seems.

   I've only seen two or three post-9/11 comics in the past 7 years, with mixed feelings.  Most were remembrances which showed the heroes responding to the attack by aiding in the rescue and recovery efforts.  There was Al Lindser's Dawn comic (which I have) which pretty much spelled out his POV on the subject (not something I entirely agree with).  Other books have come out since then which seem to dismiss the attacks all together and only focus on life in the field for soldiers deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan, though I haven't been reading through them to see just what they're portraying.  In any case, Bosch is not the only guy out there putting out post-9/11 comics; he's apparently put together a post-9/11 vigilante to promote his rather narrow focus on the enemy with little or no depth beyond what was hinted at about the background to Pigman and his creator.  It isn't "politically correct", but apparently lies on the opposite extreme.

   For my part, some of the concepts that I've been pulling out of my head (I also entertained a career as a professional comicbook artist at one time, although I'd do it now as a sort of "moonlighting" hobby) have also been affected by 9/11.  However, I'd like to think that I can see the good Muslims out there who'd be more concerned with gathering dates from their orchard and making sure that little Ali grows up to be an heir worthy of his father's trade.  My characters will be battling terrorists, but not going ape(blank) and breaking legs (indiscriminately).  In fact, they'd be moving in fast, knocking out the cell they've made sure is an immediate threat, rescue any hostages that they find and bring them to safety.  It's not half-measures done with PC-angsting about whether they were doing something wrong but it isn't going to be "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out", either.

   Personally, I cannot fathom "political correctness".  I think it becomes paralyzing, especially in face of the threats that can and have been followed through.  It seems to me to be a sort of collective insanity brought on by lives led with too much opulence and too little actual experience of the things against which many of the politically correct tend to rail against.  As I've overheard in debates at work, what do we do if we follow the directions given by the politically correct and just pull out and quit, leaving Iraq and the Middle East to burn and fall wholly into the hands of Al Qaeda and its like, only to wake up one morning and find that they have returned to our own soil and have followed through on what they've threatened to do again?  (It could be anything, from scores of kidnapping/massacres carried out against schoolchildren to something as spectacular as detonating a smuggled hydrogen bomb in the heart of a crowded city.)  I think, at that point, any political correctness that gets suggested will have a hard time even being voiced...

And those are my ¥¥



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Martin Redmond
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Imo, super heroes having real life extra curicular activities adds depth. Having them fight common crooks or real world problems kind of breaks the magic. ie When Grant Morison had Wolverine gutting arabs right after 9/11 cause like Wolverine's a trenchcoat wearing, street patroling vigilante now. And then Jean Grey JUST HAPPENED to be in a plane with terrorists in it. All so they could find an Arab mutant in the desert who's power was to be the desert! That stuff is hurry hurry buy my rice and curry lame.

I wouldn't be against reading a serious work of fiction about current war events though.



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Zaki Hasan
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 Al Cook wrote:
principle

 Bosch Fawstin wrote:
The letters look familiar, but that word doesn't make any sense!

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And thank you, Zaki for helping me decorate my monitor with diet coke.
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Hey Brian, sorry to put off your doff.  I was just having a WWDJFD? moment.

(What Would Dr. Johnny Fever Do?)

And did they ever get all that trash off of the courthouse steps???
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Pigman's major enemy:

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