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Trevor Giberson Byrne Robotics Chronology

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Eh. Enough about Bosch's comics. Bosch, what do you think of John Byrne's work?
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Brian Talley Byrne Robotics Member

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Come on Trevor..that's not why Bosch is here.
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Anthony Dean Kotorac Byrne Robotics Member

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Who's John Byrne?
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Bosch Fawstin Byrne Robotics Member

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Zaki,
As a purported Muslim who I assume knows his religion, do you acknowledge that Mohammed had his critics killed, led armies in order to spread Islam, and that Jihad is an open-ended, eternal call to all Muslims to spread their faith by any means necessary until the entire world is Islamized, irrespective if individual Muslims follow through or not?
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Bosch Fawstin Byrne Robotics Member

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Al,
For someone who claims to have read the Koran, you should know the answers to the questions you've posed to Zaki.
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Bosch Fawstin Byrne Robotics Member

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Trevor asked:
'Bosch, just to be clear... are you advocating that the United States of America makes it their mission to put an end to the religion of Islam worldwide, violently if necessary? '
First of all, dumb question, for it's the enemy whose mission it is to end all of non-Islam worldwide. The US government needs to place the safety of Americans above any other concern, whatever that may entail.
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Knut Robert Knutsen Byrne Robotics Member

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You ask a lot of questions, Bosch,for a guy who never answers any.
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Bosch Fawstin Byrne Robotics Member

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Michael Myers wrote:
I gathered that the story involved: "...my second graphic novel, THE INFIDEL, about twin brothers whose Muslim background comes to the forefront of their lives on 9/11. One responds by creating a counter-jihad superhero comic book called PIGMAN, as the other surrenders to Islam and becomes a Born Again Muslim, following the faith to wherever it leads him."
While we would presumably see the viewpoint of one of the brother's played out via the Pigman characters' adventures taking over a section of the book, the theme is ostensibly the duality of man as expressed through the two lead characters, isn't it? With the Pigman character possibly serving as the focal point for one of them? The question of subtlety is beyond any of the commentators in this thread, at this point. It is also an element at the discretion of the creator...just how subtle was 1984, after all? How subtle was Maus? In the end, it is all liable to the conscious choice of the creator and his desired aims.
I like the premise of exploring the question of Islam's foundation through the eyes of two brothers. It may or may not be terribly innovative, but I can't think of any reason why a comic shouldn't pursue the question...via Bosch's Pigman or somebody else's more sympathetic character.
Bosch, more power to you. 'Hope you find a publisher...though, since the comics industry skews left and no one is looking to rock the boat anymore (look at your Miller comparison), it's going to take more than "best wishes" from a stranger to get this project off the ground. Can't really judge from any sequential storytelling, but I like your art.
Everyone else? Most of the loudest cats in this thread have participated vociferously in religious threads denouncing all religion as inherently wrongheaded and counter-productive. Granted, the focus of their ire is almost always on Western Christianity. Or, those that quickly leap to play the censorship card. I find it a bit laughable to see so many people donning their red sweaters and taking offense at a comic that hasn't been published, yet. We're not talking about Batman wearing armor, here, people.
Thank you for the good words of support and for a much needed hit of intelligence and common sense on this thread. And that goes for all your posts in this thread.
Edited by Bosch Fawstin on 02 August 2008 at 1:40am
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Bosch Fawstin Byrne Robotics Member

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Trevor: 'Eh. Enough about Bosch's comics. Bosch, what do you think of John Byrne's work? '
John Byrne's work was one of the reasons I became a cartoonist.
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Mike Murray Byrne Robotics Member

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God, I hope Pigman carries around a big sack of footballs to throw at his enemies.
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Trevor Giberson Byrne Robotics Chronology

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'Bosch, just to be clear... are you advocating that the United States of America makes it their mission to put an end to the religion of Islam worldwide, violently if necessary? '
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Thanks for the sermon. But it is a 'yes' or 'no' question.
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Bosch Fawstin Byrne Robotics Member

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No, Trevor, that's not what I'm advocating, not that I wouldn't want to see Islam ripped from political power across the world, which would make our world and the Muslim world a far better place and give Muslims a chance to tap their potential, most especially the potential of Muslim women, but that's not up to the US government to take on, even if they could. The US government should mainly concentrate on those Muslim countries who are the most dangerous to us and the world.
What I do advocate is that the Muslim dictatorships we are forced to defeat not be allowed to have Islamic law into their political system, unlike the Bush administration foolishly allowing sharia law as the end all be all law in Iraq and Afghanistan, regardless of the rhetoric they've written into their constitution telling us what we want to hear.
Here’s what I mean, re; the Iraqi Constitution: 'Article (2):
1st — Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of
legislation:
(a) No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of
Islam.
(b) No law can be passed that contradicts the principles of democracy.
c) No law can be passed that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms outlined
in this constitution.' Both (a) & (b) contradict each other, and notice
the very Important distinction near the end of both (a) & (b), with the term
'undisputed rules' of Islam and the 'principles' of democracy. That is Not an
accident. The inclusion of the non-Islamic alien idea of 'democracy' was merely
a concession to us in order to make us feel better about taking part in such a
rotten ruse as this. It is that single line, (a) that stands out like a blood
stain on a white shirt. Our separation of church and state should have been
imposed on Iraq. They don’t know better? We do and the same thing was done to those who were ended for starting WW2.
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