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Brian Talley
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I would like to promote my new comic book which details the processing of pork into BBQ.
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Al Cook
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Michael Myers;
Granted, some of my posts are obviously not tied to the issue at hand.
Nothing wrong with a little levity, though, is there?
But otherwise, I say something every time I post here. It is unfortunate that
eludes you.
Edited by Al Cook on 01 August 2008 at 1:05pm
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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Knut: 'Is this wrong?'
Bosch: 'Very'
Knut:' How?"
(let's see if I can predict the response:)
Bosch: 'It just is. (grumble)'
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Al Cook
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Bosch Fawstin wrote:
at least to those who aren't begging to be dismissed
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I think you'll find most of us are serious and interested, Bosch. It's certainly
not our fault that what you've had to offer so far has been largely specious
at best, as well as outrightly belligerent and hostile to any thought or ideology that's not your own.
Myself and others have serious, important questions for you that you have
evaded or outright ignored. You want you point of view to be taken
seriously? Answer them.
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Brian Talley
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Fine..something that isn't smartassy....
I've looked at your website (after all, that's why you started this thread in the first place, right..a little self promotion...) and it's just disturbing.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled programing.
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Al Cook
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Check out his others, Brian.
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Al Cook
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Well, in a desperate attempt to prove that I don't live here on the board, I
booked months ago a weekend away with my wife, and won't be back until
sometime late Monday afternoon.
I'll be very interested to see how the dialogue has progressed in this thread.
It has been fascinating so far. (I'd hate to come back and find it's gone
down in flames.)
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Michael Myers
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C'mon, Knut, are we gonna nickel and dime one another over this?
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| And we're not taking offense at the comic "that hasn't been published
yet," we're offering our opinion on what he's giving us. If a movie
studio releases a trailer of a movie, and we comment on what we think
the movie will be based on the trailer , which is how they presumably want to perceived, then "you can't comment because you haven't seen the movie" is a bullshit argument. |
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You weren't commenting on something akin to a 'trailer' you had seen, you were making one up. It was your flat out misrepresentation of the project
that smelled like bullshit. Based on that erroneous assessment, you
went on to critique the entire project.
Well, that's bullshit, too.
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he's telling us about the characters, the story and his views on the
issues he's going to discuss convinces us that the story is going to
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But, Knut, you don't seem to actually have a handle on the premise of his Infidel project, do you? Exploring the dichotomy of two brothers grappling with their faith--one via creation of a comic book hero whose adventures presumably serve to explore and emphasize the ideology of that brother--was apparently too subtle for you.
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| And hey, he tells us there aren't any post 9/11 war comics, but I
mentioned at least one (Special forces by Kyle Baker) and asked him if
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Knut, do I care? Laughing my ass off. Kyle Baker's Special Forces? Now, I only read the first issue of the mini; but, was that an example of your idea of subtlety? Kyle Baker, master of satire? Right. Crude? Did YOU read the first issue of Special Forces? And, did it surprise anyone that Image was the publisher?
But that's it, isn't it? The fact is that if someone were ragging on the West or kowtowing to the leftist extreme of someone like Baker, you cats wouldn't have batted an eyelash. Leftists like Chaykin or Baker are simply artists exploring themes, but anything opposed to their espoused ideology--and yours--would invariably be given, by you, the tag of 'crude' and 'simplistic'?
But then, you didn't even understand the premise after reading it...
Edited by Michael Myers on 01 August 2008 at 2:29pm
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Trevor Giberson
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But that's it, isn't it? The fact is that if someone were ragging on
the West or kowtowing to the leftist extreme of someone like Baker, you
cats wouldn't have batted an eyelash. Leftists like Chaykin or Baker
are simply artists exploring themes, but anything opposed to their
espoused ideology--and yours--would invariably be given, by you, the
tag of 'crude' and 'simplistic'?
Leftists? Christ, I'm tired of dogma.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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"But then, you didn't even understand the premise after reading it..."
Have you read the book? Oh, and I got the premise. Just don't give Bosch the credit for subtlety that you do. Maybe because I read the stuff he wrote. On this board, on his board.
And maybe Kyle Baker's stuff isn't something you like. I do. I made no assertions about its depth or complexity. Except I give Kyle Baker more credit for complexity than I would Bosch. Based on what Bosch presents as his views.
And now you're ragging on Baker and Chaykin worse than we've been criticizing Bosch's views. What? Because you agree with him? Fine.
And how am I misrepresenting his project? The superhero one of the brothers writes about runs around fighting moslem terrorists in a suit made of pigskin. How is that not accurate? As for the amazing subtlety of the story of the two brothers? I'm thinking probably Steve Ditko's Hawk and Dove with a pro/anti Islam stance and guess who wins? That's based on what I've seen and what he's written.
(Oh, and I did a little checking. I was sure there was an incident like the albigensian crusade involved in the reconquista in Spain. Can't find a source for it now, so I'll concede that point for now. )
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Keith Elder
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The absence of any comics dealing with the war is unnatural, at least ones that deal with today's enemy, the Jihadists, head on.
No company dares publish anything pro-war.
Nobody buys stuff that's anti-war.
Therefore, no war comics.
I think the same thing is affecting film.
I'm simplifying somewhat; of course, nobody is 'pro-war' in the sense they really want to have a war; and 'anti-war' can also encompass a wide variety of stances, from the pacifist kooks to the loyal but relunctant soldier. But I think the basic point stands. A war book will only sell well if it is about war heroes, and nobody is going to publish that right now.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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There's loads of war stuff. It may not address the politics of the war itself, but TV- series like The Unit, Army Wives, Generation Kill and a few others all deal with the war or the repercussions of the war in one way or the other. There have been a few movies, too, but I haven't kept that current( though Iron Man is one - insert5 sm,iley face her- ). Also, some comics have addressed the situation, but mainstream comics are all about super-heroes and indie comics GNs have a lot of lead time and spotty distribution.
Of course, if people don't like them they'll probably think they don't count.
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