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Bosch Fawstin
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Knut,
The Infidel/Pigman is a story you've not read, so I suggest you stop pretending you know what it's about, because you realy don't. My blog is there as a pre-publication promotion of the book, it's not the book, no matter what you infer from what I have there.
And your argument that 'It is only by defeating the best arguments of our opponents that we truly win.'
Sure, when it comes to you and I and civilized people. Never when dealing with cultures who celebrate those who fly planes into buildings. They must be shown the terror of their ways, not merely told.
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Bosch Fawstin
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Lars Johansson wrote:
'In an Islamic country there is no solid wall between church and state. That is an impossibility.'
Right, there is no such thing as an apolitical Islam and there's never been.
Edited by Bosch Fawstin on 01 August 2008 at 9:00am
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Al Cook
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...and Trevor's direct question still remains unanswered.
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Al Cook
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"Are you advocating that the United States of America makes it their mission
to put an end to the religion of Islam worldwide, violently if necessary?"
It's a 'Yes' or 'No' kind of question. Shouldn't take this long to
give a direct answer to...
Edited by Al Cook on 01 August 2008 at 9:11am
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Bosch Fawstin
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Trevor,
If the US government is forced into a confrontation with a Muslim country, we shouldn't be in the business of allowing Sharia law into their constitutions as we have in Afghanistan and Iraq. We should have followed the same principle that we did in WW2, when we did not allow the political elements that led our enemies to war to remain intact after we crushed them. Some Muslim countries are worse than others, but those who force our hand should be fully destabilzed of Islam being the end all be all in their governement. For our sake.
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Bosch Fawstin
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Relax, Al, I know you've been waiting all night, but I don't live here like you do.
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Al Cook
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So, explain it for us "geniuses", Bosch.
What specifically should we do? Are you advocating that the U.S.
government enter a pogrom of eradicating Islam from the face of the earth?
After all, it's a religion that can't be trusted to not perpetrate violent acts on
us...
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Al Cook
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I don't live here at all, Bosch. That was a poor attempt to discredit and
belittle me. Please rise above that kind of thing. You do want people to take
you seriously, right?
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Jeff W Williams
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So that's a "maybe", then? Here's the question again, to refresh your memory.
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America makes it their mission to put an end to the religion of Islam
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As I read your response you're ok with Islamic nations that the US doesn't have any confrontations with (something your earlier posts appear to contradict), but any that they do, Islam should be eradicated completely from that nation? At least from their government? What if that means genocide, you good with that? I don't think you've thought this through to its terrible conclusions nearly as well as you believe yourself to have.
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Al Cook
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Maybe we should keep the questions to one at a time, Jeff.
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Bosch Fawstin
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I suggest to those who are genuinely interested in what I think about Islam and Jihad and what I think we should do in order to defend ourselves from the enemy's war on us, to read the essay's I've written about it at my blog. And I ask this again, since it seems most of you have answered at least indirectly, but you never know:
Does anyone in this thread bring any first hand knowledge about Islam into it? Have any of you read the Koran, studied Mohammed's history, have any of you done your homework on the history of Jihad, both soft and hard? I know the answer, but one of you may surprise me, well at least one I haven't heard from yet.
WIthout that base of knowledge, all I say will seem like an attack, when it's only an acknowledgement of the danger we face in ignoring the true nature of Islam and its Jihad.
To those who can't answer in the affirmative, why come here and pretend you have a right to argue about things you have no knowledge about?
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Al Cook
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I had originally written "Why not, you do" or something equally pithy
here, and then immediately regretted taking that tack, so while I
reconsidered my response, I entered "..." instead.
Everyone can see what Bosch thought of that below. (Unless, like me, he
reconsiders and edits those posts.)
Instead, I'd like to rephrase my response as follows.
Everyone has a right to argue a point, no matter how deeply versed they
may be on the topic. Dynamic, lively debate between rational people is
how we grow, learn, and reach new understandings on the topics that
matter to us.
Edited by Al Cook on 01 August 2008 at 10:02am
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