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John Byrne
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| Posted: 13 December 2025 at 5:21pm | IP Logged | 1
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First, THISAnd may I just say WOW! When I did my Xmas themed story in SENSATIONAL SHE-HULK 8, a number of hardcore fanboys wrote in (ink on paper) to express their displeasure. Disgust, even. It seemed they could accept Greco-Roman and Egyptian gods, as well as all the magical beings encountered by Stephen Strange (and others), but Santa Claus was a bit too far. Considerable foaming at the mouth—as seen in the attached item—and complaining that my little tale “destroyed” the serious foundations of the Marvel Universe. Well, for those of you who don’t have pine cones shoved up your poop chutes, I suggest you track down my story, read it with the sentiment intended, and enjoy the festive fun. Io Saturnalia!
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Wallace Sellars
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Well, I liked it.
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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 13 December 2025 at 5:45pm | IP Logged | 3
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Good lord.
1) this guy’s main gripe is you don’t explicitly say that YES, this is Santa
Claus. He really needs to stop reading comic books.
2) at the time you wrote and drew this issue, Elaine Benes hadn't even been
introduced yet. The SEINFELD pilot is the only episode aired in 1989 and
she wasn’t even in it and you very well could’ve finished this issue before
even it aired.
Why do people try so hard to knock other people down?
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 13 December 2025 at 5:58pm | IP Logged | 4
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The issue is cover dated “Mid-November”, which means it came out during the time Marvel was adjusting its dating policies so the books would bear the actual months in which they hit the stands, instead of the long standing tradition of four months later. So it is most likely my story came out before Elaine.
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Brian ONeill
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| Posted: 13 December 2025 at 6:14pm | IP Logged | 5
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'Time displacement syndrome'...or 'That thing where people complain that an older idea is rip-off of a more recent idea, because people are idiots'.
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Brian ONeill
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| Posted: 13 December 2025 at 6:15pm | IP Logged | 6
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Time displacement syndrome'...or 'That thing where people complain that an older idea is rip-off of a more recent idea, because people are idiots'.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 13 December 2025 at 7:22pm | IP Logged | 7
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Oh, when did GENERATIONS I was accused of stealing the title from STAR TREK.
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Peter Martin
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"You’ll have to track down a copy to find out, because I haven’t the energy to pry this apart any more. "
This is the worst bit of the "review". Oh, he hasn't the energy to even open the comic again... Yet he has the energy to create a webpage to knock it.
Edited by Peter Martin on 13 December 2025 at 8:09pm
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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 13 December 2025 at 10:53pm | IP Logged | 9
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So it is most likely my story came out before Elaine.
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There’s no doubt. She didn’t appear until 1990.
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Bill Collins
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| Posted: 14 December 2025 at 7:32am | IP Logged | 10
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It didn't have to be explicitly stated who the character
was, because it was obvious to anyone with half a brain.
Also, that guy has far too much time on his hands to spend
all that time and effort criticising such a good story. He
hated the breaking of the fourth wall, but continued
reading, knowing that was a trope you used in that title.
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John Byrne
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Breaking the fourth wall confounded a lot of readers. At the time I was accused of stealing the concept—as old as theater itself—from the TV series MOONLIGHTING.
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Michael Penn
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>> Let’s see if you can tamp down your rage after this panel <<
He's in a "rage" over this cute little tale? A douche and a weird-o? But this is all bullspit, really. He's just yet another person with nothing to say riffing off somebody else's notoriety to vomit internet-blather.
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