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John Byrne
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| Posted: 14 April 2019 at 3:24pm | IP Logged | 1
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...which Stan presumably produced after discussions with Jack...••• Why presume that?
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Greg Kirkman
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And (grumble grumble) in the context of the scene does it really seem likely that staid even uptight Cyclops would say “C’mon”?
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I've come to the conclusion that getting the voices of the characters right is a vital component which is far too often underappreciated and/or dismissed.
With print adaptations of live-action characters--such as your own STAR TREK work, JB--any problems with the voices have the danger-potential to stand out far more noticeably than with print-only characters. However, it's still important to get the characters' voices right and consistent for print-only characters, too.
Speech idioms, use of contractions, "tone" of voice (by use of punctuation and bold lettering)...these are all subtle-yet-important.
Too many people write Stan Lee off as the guy who just threw words on top of amazing art, but, man, did he give the characters distinctive voices and personalities. That's a big part of why people love and remember the Fantastic Four and Spider-Man and all the rest.
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Sean Sullivan
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| Posted: 14 April 2019 at 6:09pm | IP Logged | 3
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JB- "Hopefully you’ll be able to read the book and find out!"
I truly hope so!! Like most members here this would definitely get me back into a comic store for the first time in years. I haven't been this excited about a project since...nothing springs to mind.
As an aside: I also can't wait to see my favorite character, Scott, be treated as he should be: a hero.
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Matt Hawes
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Steven Myers wrote:
| ... Sue can't be too old to be the sister of a 16 year-old... |
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Depending on the age of her parents, there could be quite an age difference. Some siblings can be as much as 20 years apart in age. People have also remarked about how Peter Parker couldn't have an elderly aunt, assuming there couldn't be such an age difference between Peter's father and his brother Ben. It may not be the average family where the age gap is so wide between siblings, but it is not only possible, but has happened in many families throughout history.
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Ernest Degollado
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I would think it was much more common when Stan was growing up than it is today. My dad was one of eight children and my mother one of seven, both born in the thirties. I grew up with a few cousins twenty years my senior.
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Ted Pugliese
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Some related notes...
I was 28 when I met my wife. She was 23, and her
youngest twin sisters were 16.
If my dad were alive, he would be 97, but my mom is only
70. Much bigger difference that Reed and Sue or Mac and
Heather, AND I have a brother and sister (half) both
older than my mom! I think they are 74 and 72 now.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 15 April 2019 at 9:29am | IP Logged | 7
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My parents were one year apart, which pretty much cemented in my brain that that was the “proper” span between a husband and wife. But I married someone six years older than me.
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Michael Penn
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My 85 father is 14 years older than his sister. (Many siblings in-between, two that died during WW2.) Our own oldest boy is 25 and our littlest girl is 7.
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I recall when being a regular X-MEN reader that Mr. Claremont seemed enamored of elisions, injecting them at times into virtually anybody's speech pattern.
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John Byrne
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Chris tended to write everyone as “just folks”—which sometimes went against my vision of the characters. Snowbird, for instance.
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My grandpa was 30 and grandmother was 13 when they married.
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JB: Why presume that?
Because Stan's outline doesn't seem to leave much room for input from Jack into the characters, which I was pretty sure he'd had.
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Ernest Degollado: My dad was one of eight children and my mother one of seven, both born in the thirties. I grew up with a few cousins twenty years my senior.
My sister's six years younger than me but our brother is thirty-four years my junior (although we do have a different mother).
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