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ron bailey
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| Posted: 12 August 2024 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | 1
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I am sure somewhere on this Forum someone has explained the origins of the Electoral College being that during the drafting of the original documents, all these land owners realized that they were vastly outnumbered by the rest of the colonies' populace, and the one-man-one-vote might not work to their interests as property holders. The Electoral College was designed to offset that concern and give them added favor in voting outcomes.
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Casey Sager
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So basically completely against what the USA is supposed to be about.
They rejected a king, so instead they created oligarchs. Yay democracy...
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ron bailey
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| Posted: 12 August 2024 at 3:44pm | IP Logged | 3
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Well, obviously that wasn't the most egregious hypocritical oversight unfortunately, which was punted down the road four score and seven years ...
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John Byrne
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The Founding Fathers were not building a democracy. They wanted a Republic. That’s where wealthy intellectuals take care of the poor dummies who compose the teeming masses. (My father used to say they created the Electoral College because they didn’t think The People were smart enough to elect George Washington on their own.)
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Michael Penn
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If only our candidates for President were the ilk of Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, et al.
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Jason Czeskleba
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| Posted: 12 August 2024 at 6:42pm | IP Logged | 6
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Daniel Gillotte wrote:
| Biden was never willing to go there, will Kamala? |
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It hasn't been so much a matter of being "willing to go there" as the political reality. Since making DC and/or Puerto Rico a state would benefit the Democratic Party, no Republican will support either admission. So the Democrats would need a majority in both houses of Congress who are willing to support admission (in other words, no slim one-vote majorities hinging on centrists). The last time it would have been a possibility was at the start of Obama's first term. Yet another example of Democratic lack of foresight harming them down the line.
There's also some debate over whether DC can become a state via a Congressional act or if it requires a Constitutional amendment. Certainly any attempt to make DC a state via mere Congressional act would lead to a lawsuit which would be settled by the shamelessly partisan hacks on the SCOTUS (gosh, I sure do wonder what their decision would be?)
In like manner, Supreme Court reform would at minimum require Democratic majorities in both houses. So it's a vicious cycle at this point... the systemic biases which give unfair and disproportionate representation to rural states prevent anything from being done to correct these biases. It's going to remain that way until Democrats figure out a way to regain the votes of working class white people.
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John Byrne
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Working class White people who have convinced themselves a lying, philandering, would-be dictator billionaire is one of their own. As I have said, Trumf is Obama’s true legacy. It was White fear that put Orange Don in the Oval Office. With another Black candidate standing against him, it could very well happen again. There are a lot of hateful people in this country.
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Brian ONeill
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There are.The difference this time *might* be that the progressive voters(those who tend to stay home, or waste votes on third parties, when the Dem nominee isn't 'Bernieish' or 'Warrenesque' enough for their mindset) will realize, as they did four years ago with Biden,, that they need to stop screwing around,and vote for Kamala.
Edited by Brian ONeill on 12 August 2024 at 7:50pm
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Charles Valderrama
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As I have said, Trumf is Obama’s true legacy. It was White fear that put Orange Don in the Oval Office. With another Black candidate standing against him, it could very well happen again. ****** Hard to imagine that... since Obama never ran against this clown. Sure, having a black President for 8 YEARS must've upset alot of white people, but at the same time they had 2 elections where they could NOT prevent Obama from winning.
I think a distain for Hillary (and cheating) led to the 2016 result.
-C!
Edited by Charles Valderrama on 12 August 2024 at 7:54pm
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Kevin Brown
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RE: Making Puerto Rico a state.
They continually vote it down in Puerto Rico. They don't want to be a state. For one, it would increase the amount of taxes they'd have to pay.
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Jason Czeskleba
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Kevin, the two most recent Puerto Rican referendums on statehood (in 2017 and 2020) indicated a majority in favor of statehood. The 2017 only had 23% turnout, but the 2020 had 54% turnout.
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Dave Kopperman
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Yeah, I'm not sure where the idea that PR doesn't want to be a state is coming from. The majority generally always vote for statehood, but for obvious reasons, it stops there.
No doubt, there are some on the island who prefer becoming an independent nation, but they're in the minority.
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