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Michael Penn
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| Posted: 07 November 2024 at 7:28pm | IP Logged | 1
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Thanks, Mark. It will be interesting to learn, if we do ever find out, what she thought of her campaign.
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Peter Martin
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| Posted: 07 November 2024 at 8:01pm | IP Logged | 2
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24 hours for the election, nearly everyone was saying the election was too close to call.24 hours after the election, many are saying how obvious it was that Harris would lose.
These two things don't jibe.
Separately, regarding those here that have compared Kamala Harris' performance to Hillary Clinton's: Clinton got 48.2% of the popular vote, whereas Harris got 47.6%. Make of this what you will. From where I sit, 47.6% is respectable, but the purportedly unpopular Clinton clearly performed better on a proportional basis. I am surprised and disappointed that Trump was able to gain so substantially amongst voters outside his traditional base.
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ron bailey
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| Posted: 07 November 2024 at 8:09pm | IP Logged | 3
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I felt the same, Peter. Especially how evenly the polls kept showing the same rate of change across wildly different states like those of the battleground states.
And might we at least attribute the 0.8 percent difference in popular vote between a full term campaign versus one conducted over four months?There was a lot of rose colored glassed "the devil you know" sentiment going on than people don't want to admit ...
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John Wickett
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| Posted: 07 November 2024 at 8:26pm | IP Logged | 4
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"24 hours for the election, nearly everyone was saying the election was too close to call."
Count me among those. I thought Harris would win Nevada, Wisconsin and Michigan, but Trump would get Arizona, Georgia, and North Carolina. I thought that whoever won Pennsylvania would win the election.
Despite my critique of Harris, and the reasons I think she lost, I did not think it was at all obvious that was going to happen. And really, it was a very close election. Trump won both the popular and electoral votes, but the victories in the battleground states were only by a few percentage points.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 07 November 2024 at 9:08pm | IP Logged | 5
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Im trying to a avoid the autopsies. It’s like the stock market. Everyone has 20/20 hindsight. I really feel sorry for Harris. To acknowledge defeat is grim and painful under the best circumstances. To acknowledge defeat to Trump…
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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 07 November 2024 at 9:17pm | IP Logged | 6
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You’d think the texts would’ve stopped by now…
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 07 November 2024 at 9:37pm | IP Logged | 7
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Trumf’s robots didn’t start pummeling me until Wednesday!
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Brian Price
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| Posted: 08 November 2024 at 4:40am | IP Logged | 8
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To my way of thinking, it was two things:
1) First and foremost, Biden should never have run, and the Democrats should have gone through the primary process to pick a candidate.
2) Classic example of intersectionality: she's black and a woman, so a double whammy of racists and misogynists aligned against her.
3) (Yeah, I know I said two) "It's the economy stupid", even though it's a direct result of Trumf cratering it with his ham-fisted response to the COVID pandemic.
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 08 November 2024 at 6:46am | IP Logged | 9
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Brian is correct. I agree that Biden did major damage by not stepping down.
He absolutely is suffering from cognitive decline & everyone can see this,
could see this earlier in the year.
By staying on, he forced the Democrats to defend him, opening them up to
very hard questions once he did step down.
Trump may well suffer the same decline - he’s showing signs, large signs, &
once on that path, it can be a quick fall - my mother in law & a couple of
members @ our church have shown me just how rapid that fall can be.
& then there is the double whammy of a black woman. They had to pick her,
she was the VP for crying out loud. But the day they did, my wife said there
was no way America would elect a woman, it’s just not ready for it. Having
suffered, & still suffering, open male attacks because she is a woman in a
specific role, she knows just how bold men are in just straight out saying
‘You shouldn’t be in this job as a woman’. & that’s in the UK, where we’ve
had two female PMs.
So, yeah. I just don’t think the USA is ready for a female President. Not a
reason to stop trying, nor highlighting this every time a female candidate
fails. It will be even more depressing to see how impossible that step will be
once Gilead has been enacted.
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Eric Jansen
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| Posted: 08 November 2024 at 8:01am | IP Logged | 10
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Kamala was an idiot and a fake. Nobody liked her before she was installed as the candidate and every time she gave an interview her poll numbers went down--a longer campaign would only have gotten her less votes. Nobody liked Hillary either.
Maybe wait until one of the major parties runs a smart and effective female candidate before writing America off as too sexist to elect a woman President.
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Trevor Smith
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| Posted: 08 November 2024 at 10:59am | IP Logged | 11
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"Kamala was an idiot and a fake."
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Wow. Not knowing Kamala, I can't speak for her sincerity,
but I feel fairly safe in proclaiming "not an idiot".
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Doug Centers
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| Posted: 08 November 2024 at 12:21pm | IP Logged | 12
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"So, yeah. I just don’t think the USA is ready for a female President"
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I sincerely believe Nikki Haley could have beaten Joe Biden if it came down to those two.
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