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Bob Neill
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Posted: 24 April 2008 at 9:13am | IP Logged | 1  

Third parties in the US are the domain of hippies and rednecks, neither of whom have a clue about the political system.
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Al: I hate Harper too but think how much worse things would be if his government would have a majority. Also, he's getting away with stuff (or trying to) because Dion hasn't got the leadership instincts or charisma to take him on and exploit his weaknesses.

A minority government can't get away with completely outrageous behavior because (1) it wants to hold on to power and (2) it's hold is relatively precarious. Harper is even starting to show signs of weakening on Kyoto -- he's proposing legislation that would force oil producers in the west to clean up after themselves which is surprising considering his strongest support is from out west. He's got weak support in the east.

As per US politics: A Ralph Nader type party would make a world of difference in a tri-partite government between Republicans and Democrats. The third party would never actually have to lead but could use it's weight to back either of the other parties and force compromises in order to forge alliances.

A very disturbing situation which has been on the rise lately is the tightly-knit associates between government and corporations. It smells a lot like when Church and State were in bed together in the dark ages to exploit the populace. I see where an alternative party would rise to "give power back to the people".



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Neil Lindholm
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Yeah, think about all the damage the Liberal majority did to the country and to itself. I shudder at the idea of the Liberals ever getting another majority.

The Americans better jump in soon or we are going to hijack this topic. :)

I was looking at the delegate records and they show that Obama won Texas. Why do the press and her organization still claim she won the state? And didn't the press go on and on about how she had to win Texas in order to continue? Why did they keep up the myth instead of reporting the facts? She lost Texas.
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It is a well know fact in politics that repeating a lie long enough, emphatically enough will give it the lustre of truth.

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Why did they keep up the myth instead of reporting the facts? She lost Texas.

Neil, read the quote from Chris Matthews I posted on the previous page.

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Christopher Alan Miller
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Posted: 24 April 2008 at 10:07am | IP Logged | 6  

She won the Texas primary. Obama won the Texas caucus. Obama ended up with slightly more delegates.

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Jesus, Harper runs his government as if it is a majority because there is simply no one to threaten his position-Dion is a joke and Layton is a laughing stock.

I hate my country right now more than I hate the US ;) if only because I am hoping against hope Obama is the next president of the us and that he will live up to the promise he offers as a leader.

That and Obama will not take kindly to Harper's attempts to be a mini-me version of Dubya, which will undermine Harper's government even more.

Harper and the Tories are textbook examples of why its easy to be in opposition but inevitable to become the same old same old in government

To paraphrase Colbert, I hope America tokes at Obama's "bong of hope".

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Tom: Exactly. How can you sell ad space if you have no news? Easier to manufacture some.


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Ray Brady
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There is a fundamental problem with having a third major political party in
the U.S.: the Electoral College.

It is already a challenge for the major parties to reach the 270 electoral
votes needed to win the election. In the last two elections, if even a single
state's votes had gone from Bush to a third candidate, the election would
have been sent to the Senate for decision. If there really were three viable
parties in any given election, it would always go to the Senate.

The first thing we need to do is get rid of the Electoral College. Then a third
major party would be feasible.
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Christopher Alan Miller
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Posted: 24 April 2008 at 6:42pm | IP Logged | 10  

If no Presidential candidate gets 270 electoral votes it goes to the House of Representatives not the Senate. The Vice-Presidential winner would be decided by the Senate
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Yeah, that's what I said. Only I said it opposite, like on Bizarro world, 'cause
it's cooler that way. Or ironic. Or something.
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Mike O'Brien
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Ok, since we're both playing this too coy and obtuse and both dropping too many talking points, let me clear this up, Christopher...

It's a shame that what the Democratic party in Florida and Michigan did served to disenfranchise thier voters in terms of the primary elections.

Having said that, they knew the situation - that the states had broken the rules and therefore, would not be counted at the convention, when they voted.

Obama had his name removed from the ballot in Michgan and did not campaign in Florida.

As the votes stand, they would be fraudulent at best if counted.  A re-vote would be fine, but to count the votes now would not be, as you say "counting every vote", it would be breaking the rules.  The people knew thier votes were not to be counted, so even if you want to break the rules and let them be, the result is not the real will of the voters of the states; they knew their votes weren't going to be counted.  Who knows how they would have voted otherwise?  And the results would surely have had been different if Obama had been on the ballot and campaigned in both states.

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