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Neil Lindholm
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Posted: 23 April 2008 at 7:01am | IP Logged | 1  

Yeah, why would anyone, concerned with the economy, vote for Clinton, who is massively in debt and is not paying her bills? I still don't understand how she got the votes she did. 
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I still don't understand how she got the votes she did. 

By playing her usual games -- negative ads, character slurs, etc -- all with the "this is what the Republican machine is going to do next fall" kind of mentality.  Go, Hillary, keep the paranoia and fear and partisan hate alive!!!  It's the only way you'll get anywhere.



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How does Obama have an insurmountable lead?
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Paranoia and fear are S.O.P. these days, no matter where you go!
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How does Obama have an insurmountable lead?

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Mathmatically it's not. But Obama would have to lose the remaining primaries by such a great percentage it may as well be. I really don't see that happening.

I've read she needs to beat him by anywhere from 30 to 40 percent in the remaining primaries and get all the undecided super delegates on her side.

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How does Obama have an insurmountable lead?

I didn't say he DID, but that he almost does.  Mathematically, even if Hillary were to carry the remaining states (none of which are winner take all), she still wouldn't get enough delegates to PASS Obama, much less win the nomination.  Right now, Hillary is counting on the Superdelegate vote to get her the nod.

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Are you not aware that the pledged delegates are not required to vote for the candidate they're pledged to? And superdelegates who have announced they are backing a particular candidate are free to change their minds.
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Posted: 23 April 2008 at 8:11am | IP Logged | 8  

And of course it's almost certain that the Florida and Michigan delegates are seated.
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Well, Christopher -- you got me.  And all the pundits and commentators, too!  Looks like Hillary is our next president. 
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Posted: 23 April 2008 at 8:17am | IP Logged | 10  

The only way that Florida and Michigan should be counted if they split the delegates 50-50. That is the only fair way, especially since the delegates promised not to campaign in these two states and they didn't. Well, except for Clinton of course, but that's to be expected. 
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Has anyone else here noticed that Mrs. Clinton has been trying to "hitch her waggon" to Obama's brilliant "More Perfect Union" speech?  She is repeatedly stating that the framers of the constitution excluded "her" (and by this she is obviously refering to women) from the "More Perfect" union as they did Mr. Obama (meaning blacks). 

This is brilliant political smoke and mirrors.  Historically speaking, she is right. Originally voting rights in the constitution were left to the states and consequently tended to be restricted to property owners -- the vast majority of whom were white men.  In many states women were treated as chattel (of course blacks were chattel).  As American history progressed amendments to the constitution mandated that race and gender could not be used as a basis for the denial to vote.  So historically she is accurate -- yet her position that "she," as a white woman, has been excluded as being similar to the "exclusion" of blacks is patently absurd. 

That women have faced a "glass ceiling" in the workplace is incontrovertible.  That sexism is pervasive is also, I submit, incontrovertible.  But I also submit Hillary Clinton has had more access and inclusion to the American Dream than any Black American, including Barak Obama.  At no point in her life has Mrs. Clinton been stopped on the highway because she is a woman in nice car.  When she has walked into a store it is uncommon for the shopkeeper to follow her around because he or she fears Mrs. Clinton will steal from him.  These are daily events that happen to black americans (of both genders).  The inequities that she has faced, while very real, are not the same as those faced by blacks in America.

In spite of this pertinet difference in actual treatment Mrs. Clinton has been attempting to parallel her experience as a white woman with that of a black man.  Why?  Because her demographic and "base" -- much of it baby boom women like herself -- buys it.  She has done an exceptional job of hiding the ball by equating racism with sexism.  Understand -- I am not defending  sexism.  It is pervasive and we must be on guard against it, but I believe racism is even more pervasive and, ultimately, more dangerous. 

By making this comparison Mrs. Clinton is creating yet another "face" for the public.  She is a Senator from New York, but only for eight years, prior to that she was First Lady.  She actually has less legislative experience than Senator Obama.  Among the ways she has supported her position that she has greater "experience" included misremembering an "incident" in Bosnia.  She has told the world that her father taught her to shoot -- telling voters that she is a hunter and doesn't criticize Pennsylvanians for wanting their guns.  Of course she has been a strong proponent of Gun Control in the Senate.  She is pro-Union and "supports American Workers" -- but she sat on the Wal-Mart Board and has been an ardent and vocal supporter of NAFTA (which she should be because it is a necessary policy for an economy such as ours).  Now she is a victim of America's discriminatory past.

By her act of self "victimization," Senator Clinton does not dispute the issue of racial exclusion raised by Senator Obama's speech -- but her comparision is intended to neutralize it and to forestall the challenge made by Senator Obama's speech.  Sadly, for someone like Senator Clinton, who has a real and admirable record on race relations, this is Faustian bargain she is prepared to make to attain her parties nomination.  

The sad irony is that she should be celebrated for her actual accomplishments!  She was a rock star lawyer.  While First Lady, she worked hard on a health plan to have it politically killed by her husband.  She has been a well informed and responsible senator for New York.  But she has never had a public persona that resonates with Americans in the way her husband did or Mr. Obama does.  In this way I think she sells herself short. One of the great pities of this race between herself and Mr. Obama is that for all her talk of trusting the voters she does not.  Unlike either Mr. McCain or Mr. Obama, Senator Clinton is defining herself not by her own accomplishments, but how she wants the electorate to perceive her.  In this way she is hitting a glass ceiling of her own construction.

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Posted: 23 April 2008 at 8:27am | IP Logged | 12  

Well, Christopher -- you got me.  And all the pundits and commentators, too!  Looks like Hillary is our next president

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President Hillary is the last thing I want to see but it's foolish not to admit that it's a very real possibility. Obama has a narrow delegate lead and it will get even narrower by the time of the comvention. He can't get to 2025 without superdelegates either. Hillary will very possibly have the popular vote lead by the time of the convention. The democratic party isn't going to hand Florida and Michigan to John McCain so they will be seated at the convention. Clinton is now polling better than Obama against McCain too. After outspending Clinton three to one in Pennsylvania Obama lost by ten points. That's not going to impress the superdelegates.

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