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Ray Brady
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" What doesn't change about its suggested meaning is that if you are pro
something, you accept that thing in society."
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Yes, if you are "pro" something, you accept it. However, the converse is not
necessarily true. Accepting something in society does not necessarily mean
you support it, and does not necessarily make you "pro".

I hate raisins, but accept them in society. I am not "pro-raisin". Neither am I
"pro-abortion".
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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Posted: 28 September 2008 at 12:42pm | IP Logged | 2  

"Deciding to raise a baby that started as an unwanted pregnancy, or going to term with a baby and offering it up for adoption are admirable, honorable things that happen all the time, and I'm in awe of those women who do it. "

No, you're not. How can you be? Your position is "pro-life" or "anti-abortion" which means that to you no other choices are morally acceptable. Why would anyone profess to hold someone to be admirable, honorable or awe-inspiring just for not doing something they think is wrong.

Do you find it awe-inspiring every time you see people not stealing, raping, murdering or lying?

There is nothing awe-inspiring about people doing what the law compels them to do. And the "pro-life" position is about compelling pregnant women who might otherwise consider abortions to act as you describe above.

If you're ever around my neck of the woods you can come watch me not rob the supermarket,  not kill anybody and not destroy public property.  It's deeply touching.

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Tom French
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It's deeply touching.

I'm pro-touching.

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Kevin Hagerman
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I hate raisins, but accept them in society. I am not "pro-raisin". Neither am I
"pro-abortion".

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Oh, GREAT.  You're one of those fucking anti-grapers...

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Scott Richards
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Posted: 28 September 2008 at 1:12pm | IP Logged | 5  

McCain is (sadly) going to win this thing by 20-30 electoral votes.  Much more than any of the polling indicates.

I think people underestimate the Bradley Effect. 

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Christopher Alan Miller
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Posted: 28 September 2008 at 1:14pm | IP Logged | 6  

I would say they overestimate the Bradley effect. Obama's numbers in the primaries often matched up with the polling numbers.
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Scott Richards
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Posted: 28 September 2008 at 1:22pm | IP Logged | 7  

Obama's numbers in the primaries are very misleading.  Obama won as a result of caucuses, not actual votes.  If only delegates based on votes rather than caucuses were included, Clinton would be up against McCain.

I find it appalling that a candidate could win a primary but their opponent get more delegates because the state also had a caucus.

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Al Cook
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Posted: 28 September 2008 at 1:27pm | IP Logged | 8  

The Electoral College renders all of this moot anyway.
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Christopher Alan Miller
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Posted: 28 September 2008 at 1:29pm | IP Logged | 9  

He did better in caucuses than in primaries but he won both ways and in many of this wins his vote totals matched up with the polling numbers. Sometime his vote totals were better than the polling numbers. The polls showed North Carolina being close but he won by 16 points.
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 QUOTE:
Why would anyone profess to hold someone to be admirable, honorable or awe-inspiring just for not doing something they think is wrong.

Choosing not to do something unlawful is absolutely admirable; but what is awe-inspiring is a woman sacrificing physical/mental health for several months even though she doesn't want the baby.  To do that and then give it up for adoption is one of the noblest things a human can do, because they have chosen temporary self-sacrifice over killing another (which would have been much more convenient).  To do that and raise the baby her/themselves is even more noble, because she/they have sacrificed much of the rest of their lives to preserve this human being.  As many here have said, making abortions illegal won't stop them from happening, so a woman deciding to go through with her unwanted pregnancy, whether abortion is legal or not, is an honorable thing.

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Jodi Moisan
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Posted: 28 September 2008 at 2:02pm | IP Logged | 11  

Jodi, you said that security was one of the reasons no signs were allowed.  I pointed out that the Secret Service has no problem with signs.

So yes, if the campaign doesn't want signs then they can say "no signs".  Personally, I have no problem with that.  It makes for better television if we don't have to deal with signs being put up in front of cameras.  But don't blame it on security.

Again fighting non issue, how is the bailout sitting with you?

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Jodi Moisan
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I hate raisins, but accept them in society. I am not "pro-raisin".

Kevin you have to admit they can sure sing. LOL

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