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Michael Retour
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Posted: 27 September 2008 at 6:31pm | IP Logged | 1  

It is sort of like people saying "I love dirty air" etc.

Who is for pollution?  Maybe tobacco companies. 
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Wouldn't those that choose to have an abortion be pro-abortion? If they were anti-abortion they wouldn't be having one.
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Posted: 27 September 2008 at 6:33pm | IP Logged | 3  

Perhaps because choice gives those very few who may be pro-abortion the legal ability to act indiscriminately on the sentiment, those who are anti-choice find self-justification?

Edit: by pro-abortion I mean, for example, the woman of the type JB mentioned far back in the thread, the one who got pregnant and aborted simply because she wanted to test her fertility.



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It is sort of like people saying "I love dirty air" etc.

Who is for pollution?  Maybe tobacco companies.
 

So then are you for "choice" for pollution?

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Michael Retour
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Heh.

Joel if it were up to me cigarettes would be $100 bucks a pack or I'd outlaw them.  Or, to really let you know how I feel I would want the super-power to make tobacco disappear. 

What is odd about American politics is that it always degenerates into these hot button issues: gun control, abortion, etc. 

When we have the sort of things we have going on now those matters are on the back burner to me. 

How can someone be pro-life yet support economic policies that kills millions of children after they are born?  I never got that one. 

After watching those two last night all I can say is "we're in it" and everyone knows what that means right?
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Posted: 27 September 2008 at 6:47pm | IP Logged | 6  

I doesn't matter how expensive cigarettes got, people would still buy them.  They could stop selling cartons and packs and put them exclusively in vending machines for $5 per cigarette and people would still smoke.
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Joel Tesch
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After watching those two last night all I can say is "we're in it" and everyone knows what that means right?

Ha...yes!

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Scott I agree.  I am certain if cigarettes were $20 per cig people would pony up like they do for variant covers.  Maybe they can sell a cigarette with a variant?  Bad joke, poor taste. 

My father had emphysema, my father-in-law went from lung cancer and my wife smokes almost two packs a day and I love her.  It is tough to watch.  Now both of our offspring have decided tobacco is "cool" and I know I can't stop them either. 

Anyway, we are veering way OT.

I was bored and angry after that debate.  Both those jokers are for this bailout and they don't even know, and neither does Paulson, what is on the books of the banks he is going to stick us with.  Bend over everyone.  I'll have another sir!!

Maybe the whole bailout will fall apart and the election will be postponed or something.  That way we can keep that moron Bush a little longer (he's done such a good job).  Or, just appoint a dictator.  Paulson wanted to be one but it doesn't look like he's going to get the chance.  His 3 page "note" is now what?  100 pages? 

I like the union guys: "jail no bail" in NYC. 

Where are the fighters in this country anymore?  Good God we've really sunk. 

How does everyone like watching the talking heads after the debates?  What garbage. 





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Bend over everyone.  I'll have another sir!!

Now that's my kind of politics!

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Joel Tesch
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Personally I would say I am pro-abortion...in that I am pro- having such a procedure be legal and available and I see the necessity for some women to undergo said procedure. However, using the cigarette example...I am gladly ANTI-choice on that matter. I'd love to make them illegal. Cigarettes don't just affect the smoker. The second-hand smoke affects everyone around them. And the health costs smokers generate are enourmous. We make other addictive drugs illegal, so why not this one? (this is a rhetorical question, I know all the real reasons why). 

I was bored and angry after that debate.  Both those jokers are for this bailout and they don't even know,

Me too! And it was so obvious...and then neither of them were able to give any real specifics about how their plans have changed bc of the financial crisis. Even after Lehrer prodded them twice on it.

How does everyone like watching the talking heads after the debates?  What garbage. 

I get the impression that 90% of what they say is prepared well before the debate even takes place.

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Now that's my kind of politics!

Classic. Why do I picture you holding a cigar and moving your eyebrows up and down while saying that (Groucho Marx style) :-)

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I don't think that's a cigar...
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