who also unwisely kept remarking how old he is - no need to remind us, John, we see you're out of touch and decrepit,

Mark I enjoyed your post and agreed with it completely. The above comment I kept saying each time he brought that up, I bet his handlers are telling him to stop for the next election.

Cut into a corn field.

It's the aliens again...

If you play the debate backwards Mccain clearly says "Turn me on, dead man." and "I buried Paul"

LOL pretty funny guys

What a weird election.

Amen brother

edited to add: does anyone have a link to the Couric/Palin interview?

Hey Joel, glad to see you back here.

Yes, being self-deprecating is one thing...and a joke about the "elephant in the room" to get it over with is one thing. But to keep joking about it like McCain did... Jeez dude! I was expecting him to take his teeth out and put them on the podium at one point.

And, to be totally and completely superficial...what was up with his shirt and tie? His washed out blue shirt and a striped tie just did not compare on television with Obama's bright white shirt and solid, bold tie. Obama already has an appearance advantage with his height and age...but the clothes also really added to that and made Obama appear that much more of a dynamic presence.

I'm glad Obama brought up the Bomb Iran and N. Korea self destruct comments when talking about judgement...I still think judgement and temperament are the big things to hit on with McCain. And I wish Obama would have looked at him and said "Wow, you're here. I must have missed the bailout plan getting approved."

That pesky First Ammendment...

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76308

The fact is the nurse made it up. It never happened. Name one verifiable case where it did. You know, one not made up by an avid anti-abortionist.

Wait.  So it's only a reliable "fact" if it comes for someone who is for abortions?  Someone who has the opposite stance.  Okay, using that logic, Obama's only real good qualities are the ones his detractors can name, not his supporters, right?  See how silly that sounds?

Since you used the term fact, that means there is undeniable evidence proving your point.  Can you include a link where it is proven, with no doubt, to be fact?  And remember failing to prove it did happen isn't the same thing as proving that it didn't.

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Unless there is proof that it didn't happen, there was enough evidence for every other Senator to support it.

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So you think laws should be passed to prevent things that didn't happen from happening until there is proof that the things that didn't happen really didn't happen?

Have I got that right?

No you don't.  Read what I wrote.  Did you just decide to totally ignore "there was enough evidence for every other Senator to support it"?   They were shown evidence and heard testimony that you and I didn't see or hear.  When that many people come to the same conclusion based on the evidence they are given and one single person comes to the opposite conclusion, the intelligent person will safely assume the lone odd-man-out is the one who is wrong.

And in case anyone is wondering, though I detest the idea of abortion, I'm pro-choice.

Wait.  So it's only a reliable "fact" if it comes for someone who is for abortions?  Someone who has the opposite stance.  Okay, using that logic, Obama's only real good qualities are the ones his detractors can name, not his supporters, right?  See how silly that sounds?

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Not what I said. However in this country it is still guilty till proven innocent. The nurse didn't have any witnesses or any proof to back up her accusations. Instead of acting like an ass, come up with one example where there is one shred of proof this happened. Any reasonable person would have to cast doubt on her story. Where are all the nurses she mentions? Why didn't they testify? Why didn't she call the police instead of holding one of the dying fetuses in her arms for 45 minutes? Why didn't she try to save it herself?

Maybe because she lied.

You really don't think an anti-abortionist might just lie to try to get a bill passed that potentially could be the first stepping stone to overturning Roe V. Wade? And they don't bomb abortion clinics either. Or stand outside clinics and shout murderer at a woman who just had one without knowing all the facts behind her decision.

I never said it was a lie because she was anti-abortion, I said it, because she provided no proof and an investigation by the state attorney general could find no proof.

When that many people come to the same conclusion based on the evidence they are given and one single person comes to the opposite conclusion, the intelligent person will safely assume the lone odd-man-out is the one who is wrong.

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So it couldn't have been because speaking out against this bill was political suicide and most members of Congress are a bunch of spineless pussies?

The nurse didn't have any witnesses or any proof to back up her accusations. Instead of acting like an ass, come up with one example where there is one shred of proof this happened. Any reasonable person would have to cast doubt on her story. Where are all the nurses she mentions?

The only one being an ass in this is you based purely on your being an ass comment.  I kept it polite.  You decided not to.  You didn't see the evidence or hear the testimony that was given.  They did.  They believed it and Obama didn't.  Use an ounce of common sense.  Any reasonable person would believe the nearly 100 others over the lone Obama.  As for the other nurses?  Maybe they didn't want to be fired or blackballed?  Just a thought.

This thread seems be drifting into "No...YOU!" territory again. It becomes uninteresting to read.

I do not want to join in the discussion on hand(re: Partial Birth Abortion), but the one thing that does jump out at me is "Use an ounce of common sense.  Any reasonable person would believe the nearly 100 others over the lone Obama. " because Obama OPPOSED going to war in Iraq when it would have been easier, and more politically expedient to support all those who voted for it. Of course, all the initially sited causes for war have fallen by the wayside. I am not saying THIS= THAT, but it does make me wonder.

Howard