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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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Scott, yes, I do think he was the only wise Senator.
Well that explains your extraordinary support of him. For me, it stretches believability beyond the breaking point. My own internal common sense tells me that at least a handful of others from his own party would have argued the case on his side.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5744
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Cut into a corn field.
Think of all that lost ethanol . . . .
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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No it does not. The bill covers children who are viable. A botched abortion is not viable.
If the child is issued a birth certificate and is born alive and could live if put in an incubator, it is viable regardless of how the child was born (normal childbirth or abortion).
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Joel Tesch Byrne Robotics Member

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I'm not a McCain supporter, but I don't have a big problem with him not looking at Obama. As the candiates see it, the ultimate purpose of these televised debates is to communicate with the voters and so eye contact with the viewing public was most likely the idea there. I don't think we are ever going to get a "conversation" regardless...just the same campaign talking points, generalizations and candidates anwering the question they wish they were asked instead of the actual question. While they both performed well, I thought it was pretty boring.
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William McCormick Byrne Robotics Member

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If the child is issued a birth certificate and is born alive and could live if put in an incubator, it is viable regardless of how the child was born (normal childbirth or abortion).
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So you think there are a bunch of abortions born alive that have nothing wrong with them and are just left to die?
The fact is the nurse made it up. It never happened. Name one verifiable case where it did. You know, one not made up by an avid anti-abortionist. The AG investigated and found no evidence of it.
Obama fought against the bill because there are already laws that cover children born alive. It was unnecessary. Name one state that allows such a practice to a viable fetus.
Edited by William McCormick on 27 September 2008 at 8:24am
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Mark Waldman Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 August 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1266
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McCain did better than I thought... I think, but that said, to me he still came off very terse, irrational, obviously full of fibs (especially pertaining to his past voting record), and didn't look at Obama at all. I especially liked when he was clearly losing it, teeth clenched, snappish and of course twisting any past Obama comment like a pretzel to ramrod a point down ill-informed Americans' throats.
Obama was much more presidential, very informed (remember, foreign affairs was supposed to be McCain's strength, and Obama's weakness, didn't play that way), respectful to McCain, made eye contact and was much more succinct at making his points.
I loved McCain's constant insistence Obama was wrong, or naive, when Obama's comments and responses weren't wrong and seemed evolved. Someone should give McCain a club and mammoth fur to storm around in. He seems like Captain Caveman and most certainly is going to lose it.
If Obama's so naive and inexperienced, as McCain (who also unwisely kept remarking how old he is - no need to remind us, John, we see you're out of touch and decrepit), why then would he choose someone who can't even face reporters' questions due to her lack of understanding? A president as old as the hills and some bathing beauty floozy shouldn't be running the country as we're sinking into the abyss thanks to the mistakes of their party.
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Wayde Murray Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 14 October 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3115
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Scott wrote:
Unless there is proof that it didn't happen, there was enough evidence for every other Senator to support it.
So you think laws should be passed to prevent things that didn't happen from happening until there is proof that the things that didn't happen really didn't happen?
Have I got that right?
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Michael Huber Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 27 August 2007 Location: United States Posts: 3338
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Cut into a corn field.
It's the aliens again...
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Wayde Murray Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 14 October 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3115
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| Posted: 27 September 2008 at 10:35am | IP Logged | 9
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Did John McCain really say "horse shit"?
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Christopher Alan Miller Byrne Robotics Member

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If you play the debate backwards Mccain clearly says "Turn me on, dead man." and "I buried Paul"
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Tom French Byrne Robotics Member

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If you play the debate backwards Mccain clearly says "Turn me on, dead man." and "I buried Paul"
Chris, for the first time ever, you made me laugh out loud!
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Gene Best Byrne Robotics Member

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This is the second time I've seen this topic brought up. I don't think she would bow out because it would be the death nail in the coffin for McCain. It would show that he really did not invest the proper amount of logic nor screening when selecting his VP. She's getting the crap torn out of her in the press and after everything she opens her mouth, but she's not leaving nor would she be asked to leave. I'm still talking with republicans who absolutely love her. Apparently, they are not listening to her answer questions. :)
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You hit the nail on the head. When I've had actual conversations with people who support Palin one-on-one, they usually haven't seen any of the interviews themselves (except possibly the one with Hannity). They've only heard "how unfairly she's been treated by the press", fought Congress and her own party, is being smeared by Troopergate and sold the plane on eBay. (All without fact-checking, BTW.)
On the other hand, I know many McCain supporters who are now expressing that they'll vote for Obama/Biden because they can't justify electing Palin (and the deeper issue of how it reflects on McCain's character/judgement). And they're not happy about it.
Of course, I know other McCain supporters that are twisting themselves silly to get behind Palin for the sake of supporting their candidate.
What a weird election.
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