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Cliff Richard
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I was struck by the impression that Obama was answering based on learned responses while McCain seemed to base his responses in experience.
Obama had much more polished "appearance" for the debate - but that's his selling point.
I definitely think it was close, but I didn't feel Obama edged out in any response, while McCain did get a slight edge on a few.
I'll tip this one to McCain, but I think Obama will come back strong in debate #2 - he a fast study.
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Jeff Gillmer
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It's already done Scott. At least Obama agreeing with McCain.
McCain's Right
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Mike O'Brien
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Scott, yes, I do think he was the only wise Senator. His actions show this.
It's why I'm so excited about the guy - he's the first wise politician in a
long time. We need more guys like him.
As for the debate - frankly I agree with most of the commentators; it was
a wash. It's not going to win anyone over. If you liked McCain, you still
will, and if you liked Obama, you still will.
Having said that, I'm glad Obama clarified a point that many of us Obama
supporters have been trying to make - that it doesn't matter if the surge
worked or not - it still doesn't make the war right. The war wasn't wrong
because it wasn't working; it was the wrong course of action that has
made the situation worse. Obama nailed it tonight - the military should
be used, but used wisely.
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Michael Roberts
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I can't believe anyone is defending this in any way. Who the frick
cares if the nurse may have been disgruntled. It doesn't matter if the
baby was left in a soiled closet or on a silk blanket in a golden
room. This practice leaves children die who could live in incubation.
Obama was THE ONLY Senator who fought to allow this vile, disgusting
practice? Voting against the bill 3 times? I hadn't about this heard
this. Don't believe that it really happens? What's the harm in a bill
that prevents it even if you don't think it happens just to be safe? I
thought Obama was a nice guy but I just diasgreed with his politics.
Now he disgusts me.
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Someone in law or law enforcement can correct me if I'm wrong, but throwing babies who have been brought to term in a closet to die was illegal and contrary to medical ethics prior to the passing of BAIPA. To saw that the law would prevent that from happening is wrong. In Obama's arguments against the law, he acknowledge the need to address the issue at hand, his opposition was to the ambiguity of the language assigning protection to a "viable fetus". The bill appeared to be (and probably was) a backdoor way of assigning constitutional rights to a fetus.
Here's an article from a pediatric journal on the potential problems caused by BAIPA from a medical perspective:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/116/4 /e576
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Gene Best
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I was amused that only Obama took Leher up on talking to McCain. It would've been interesting to see the guys actually having a conversation.
As a McCain supporter in 2000, I found myself wanting to want to vote for him ... however, just when I thought "well, maybe", one word came to mind: "Palin". I cannot, in good conscience, vote for her as VP.
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Tom French
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"Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons... Do it for your country."
-- conservative columnist Kathleen Parker
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Tony Johnson
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"Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons... Do it for your country."
-- conservative columnist Kathleen Parker
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This is the second time I've seen this topic brought up. I don't think she would bow out because it would be the death nail in the coffin for McCain. It would show that he really did not invest the proper amount of logic nor screening when selecting his VP. She's getting the crap torn out of her in the press and after everything she opens her mouth, but she's not leaving nor would she be asked to leave. I'm still talking with republicans who absolutely love her. Apparently, they are not listening to her answer questions. :)
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William McCormick
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I can't believe anyone is defending this in any way. Who the frick cares if the nurse may have been disgruntled. It doesn't matter if the baby was left in a soiled closet or on a silk blanket in a golden room. This practice leaves children die who could live in incubation.
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No it does not. The bill covers children who are viable. A botched abortion is not viable. Why would anyone want to prolong the suffering out of some misguided sense of humanity?
And it never happened. A disgruntled, anti-abortion nurse made claims of which no evidence was found.
And just for the record, Scott, no one was defending leaving babies to die in soiled utility closets. The debate was over whether or not it actually happened and the reasons Obama voted against it.
I for one am glad to see someone stand up for what they think is right and damn the consequences. That to me is a "maverick".
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Brian Talley
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Cut into a corn field.
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David Ferguson
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I think Ronald Reagan... er sorry John McCain just pipped it. Don't think they won anybody over though.
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Joe Zhang
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Jodi Moisan
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Damn I wish I had a corn field to draw something on. LOL
The kid that is staying with us, went to a friends house to watch the debates. He is moderate/independent he came home pumped about Obama, he thought he hit one out of the park. He is big into Twitter and said his opinion was not alone that Obama was calm, firm, respectful and thoughtful. All things he wants for a president in the future.
Someone that is a firm McCain supporter, what was your feeling of McCain not ever looking at Obama? I thought McCain screwed up bigtime on doing that. As my dad says, "when a man can't look at you in the eye , more than likely he is lying."
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/26/politics/horserace/e ntry4482028.shtml
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 27 September 2008 at 7:39am
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