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Michael Roberts
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I don't have a lot of trust in the paper above that stated a inquiry
found nothing of substance to warrant further investigation. That can
go either way after the fact. many things can disappear or be swept
under the rug.
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As far as I can tell, there weren't several allegations of this going on. It was testimony by one fired nurse who had and continues to have an anti-abortion agenda. The Illinois State Attorney General looked into it and found nothing.
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Tom French
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...many things can disappear or be swept under the rug.
Wait... then they swept the dead babies under the rug???
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Michael Huber
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So it would seem a disgruntled employee was fired and taking shots back? At least possible. If you're a consiracy fanatic, maybe she was against the practice, or even an instance, and got fired? I see resonable doubt in both directions. Oh well.
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Mike O'Brien
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"agenda"? Obsession is more like it.
I'm
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Wayde Murray
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Michael wrote:
And as a side note, why do we have humane laws regarding pets but this is such a brushfire issue?
Because we can afford to be humane to our pets. They are our property. Who do you trust with the decision of life or death when it comes to human beings? The family? Doctors? Legislators? Judges? For any one of them you pick there would be an immediate counter-argument showing why it would be a bad choice.
And remember, laws prohibiting attempted suicide are still out there. You can't even decide for yourself when YOU should die, let alone deciding for someone else.
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Michael Huber
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And remember, laws prohibiting attempted suicide are still out there. You can't even decide for yourself when YOU should die, let alone deciding for someone else.
Yes, but.....
For anyone to think they can legislate someone out of killing themselves is pure stupid. Anyone that truly wants to die, not just attention, will find a way.
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Wayde Murray
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Michael, as someone who believes that overpopulation is still an enormous problem in the world, I have absolutely no issue with someone who wants to make room for someone else. However, the fact remains that you can't just try to kill yourself (successful suicide isn't a crime, naturally).
Of course the laws are stupid. They can't keep drugs out of prisons, where the users have no income, are under lock and key 24/7 and are surrounded by armed guards! How the hell are they going to keep the drugs off the frigging streets?
Being stupid hasn't kept a law off the books since Moses!
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Michael Huber
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Have you read the current projections of the U.S. population in the near future? And this drags in immigration as part of the problem, not all of it by any means.
Soon there won't be much of anything for anyone because there will be too many anyones!
Ever seen the explanation with the jar of gumballs?
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Wayde Murray
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The gumballs aren't ringing any bells, Michael. Could you enlighten me please?
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Michael Huber
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Hmm, try this link.
http://www.numbersusa.com/video/
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Rich Rice
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Geoff, I like your pick. And yes, none of the choices are illegal. As it falls in the real world there is much in life that isn't illegal but not particularly ethical. Or at least some things fall under the category of being less ethical. -So what would a business do if marketing revealed option D proved to be 3 times more effective that option A? Which has more value, being as ethical as possible or making as much profit as possible?
You are right, the issue of value plays a big part in this mess. Inflated values at the customer level but inflated levels when traded.I am not an MBA or familiar with the particulars of lending, but it appears to my uninformed eye that these loans were bundled and sold in a manner that hid the 'rot.' In essence it was a pyramid scheme that worked so long as values continued to rise and the economic winds were at their backs. Much of all of this was 'legal', but hardly ethical. Particularly to have people who had no stake or interest putting up the cash to rescue a process that worked to private benefit.
-One element of this proposed solution that is very problematic to me is the degree it skirts being constitutional. Too much power and control is placed in the hands of one man, even with the new conditions set by Congress.
I would rather they took a bit more time. And exercised more control.
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Mike O'Brien
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Remember when the Onion made this joke a year ago and it was funny...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_wins_ debate.html?f=1
... that McCain... writing his own reality....
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