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Geoff Gibson
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Posted: 26 September 2008 at 3:07pm | IP Logged | 1  

The thread moves so fast

Boy does it! I'm still surprised the wiki link/reference made it through on the last page!

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Posted: 26 September 2008 at 3:11pm | IP Logged | 2  

"Warning, link is not for the feignt of heart."

I was at work one day and some co-workers and I were
discussing the movie 300. One mentioned the scene were
they threw unwanted babies over a cliff side to die and
said, "Wouldn't it be crazy if we did that today?" I
then said we do still do that today. He said, "Oh you
mean those people who leave their baby in a dumpster?"
And then I said, "or the ones that go to a clinic."

Everyone stopped talking after that statement. I don't
know their views but I do know that no one likes to face
the issue of abortion.


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I don't know all there is to know on this, don't pretend I do.

But semantics aside, if this were to continue just because someone didn't like the wording, I don't care what party they are in, they wouldn't get my vote. I tend to hover fairly conservative, but I've never been a party ballot robot. Atleast not knowingly.

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Posted: 26 September 2008 at 3:15pm | IP Logged | 4  

Is that regarding Obama's BAIPA vote? It was discussed several pages back. The thread moves so fast, I'm not sure what page it is on.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24070 &PN=1&TPN=255

It starts with Valeries post

I will again voice my frustration at people being unable to differentiate between opposing or supporting an issue and opposing or supporting a specific piece of legislation that tries to address an issue.

Michael receives my standing ovation of the day.



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Michael Huber
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Thanks Jodi.
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William McCormick
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Were any of the claims of babies being left to die in soiled linen closets proven true?

I searched but found nothing.

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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 26 September 2008 at 3:30pm | IP Logged | 7  

But semantics aside, if this were to continue just because someone didn't like the wording, I don't care what party they are in, they wouldn't get my vote.

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But we are talking about legislation here. Wording matters. People dismiss the importance of a legal background in government, but it's the subtle wordings that allow loopholes in laws. From my perspective, Obama put himself in a position to be labeled a babykiller in favor of infanticide (which is not the case, although I doubt people from the pro-life movement would make the distinction) in order to stand up to a piece of legislation that he thought had more consequences that it purported to have.
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Geoff Gibson
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it's the subtle wordings that allow loopholes in laws

And very often those loopholes are intentional.

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Posted: 26 September 2008 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | 9  

Were any of the claims of babies being left to die in soiled linen closets proven true?

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Nope.

http://judiciary.house.gov/Legacy/73696.pdf#page=46
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Howard Mackie
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Posted: 26 September 2008 at 3:39pm | IP Logged | 10  

<<But if Sarah Palin makes the same mistake, I guarantee you that folks in the media would be playing this up as a big deal and saying, "See? She doesn't even know when the Great Depression started! She's too dumb to be vice-president!">>

If that happened--if the media responded that way-- it would come from not being able to tell what it is she does know. I too believe it is unfair when the media picks up, and blows out of proportion, the gaffs of these men and women who are constantly in front of camera. We all make mistakes. Granted one can say, "That's part of the job, so they should know better." But crap happens. Bush, McCain, Obama, Biden, they all make mistakes.

Palin has no such lengthy track record of saying ANYTHING, so when she makes a mistake... or stands by living in Alaska being foreing policy experience, or "thanks, but no thanks" it is hard to take anything she says as serious.

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Posted: 26 September 2008 at 3:40pm | IP Logged | 11  

William - if it did happen, it's not supposed to.  It would be like saying "This one bus station had a hooker in it, so we must close all bus-stations!"

I call bullshit.

I work in and around medical organizations, and I've never heard of leaving half-born babies to die in a closet. It's unheard of.

You deal with the bad doctor that did that one thing, not end the whole thing... unless that was your whole intention..

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Posted: 26 September 2008 at 3:48pm | IP Logged | 12  

Then why was the wording not changed to mirror that of the national bill? He stated himself he would have supported it had that occurred? Is it true he blocked this? He was certainly in a position to block it or facilitate the change? What was the end result?

And as a side note, why do we have humane laws regarding pets but this is such a brushfire issue?

I agree with Jodi that the government shouldn't intervene and force the care and cost. I disagree with the way they say this situation was handled. Was it only the one hospital mentioned? I don't have a lot of trust in the paper above that stated a inquiry found nothing of substance to warrant further investigation. That can go either way after the fact. many things can disappear or be swept under the rug.

I think, and Jodi correct me if I'm wrong, that we both feel the comfort and dignity of the child, and the child's family, is what's at issue here, in that order. I wouldn't treat my neighbors cat that way, and I hate cats.

Was there truly a national investigation over something that never happened?

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