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Christopher Alan Miller Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 26 October 2006 Location: United States Posts: 2787
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It was the Clinton campaign that brought up elitism.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5744
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As I noted yesterday Howard, how is the name of all thats holy, did Americans buy that George W. Bush was a regular guy and NOT an elitist?
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Donald Miller Byrne Robotics Member

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Scott: McCain's intent is obviously to do what's best for America first and worry about advancing his own political career later.
Of course, obviously...There could never be any political motivations behind any of his always entirely altruistic actions.
Obviously he was deperatly needed back in Washington where could not be on the committee acting on the issue of the economic crisis.
Obviously he can't take care of any of this stuff while on the road as phones don't work without wires and e-mail does not exist.
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Howard Mackie Byrne Robotics Security
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| Posted: 25 September 2008 at 10:15am | IP Logged | 4
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<<1. McCain will be doing what he was elected to do and serve the people in a time of Crisis.>>
Has he said what he was planning on doing in any sort of specific fashion. Not really sure that I ever heard what his plan was.
<<McCain's intent is obviously to do what's best for America first and worry about advancing his own political career later.>>
His "politcal career"? He is asking to be elected President of the United States... leader of the free world... Commander in Chief, etc... These next 30 plus days are vitally important for every citizen to make a choice as to who will be best chosen to lead us out of all of the crap created by the current administration. Of course we all should have the write to hear what both Candidates have to say before we walk into those voting booths. There is very little McCain, the Senator, can do to help avert the current economic crisis. I want to know what HE(and Obama) can do to get us out over the next 4 years. Shouldn't we all?
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Andrew Hess Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 9848
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| Posted: 25 September 2008 at 10:17am | IP Logged | 5
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Scott Richards said, in parting: "McCain's intent is obviously to do what's best for America first and worry about advancing his own political career later."
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Really? This close to Election Day McCain isn't looking to advance his political career? At a time when what a candidate has for breakfast is a sign of what kind of president they are going to be, McCain is racing to Washington (DC) *only* because it is what is best for the US and has *nothing* to do with advancing etc?
Fascinating world you live in, Scott. Is the sky blue there, too?
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Andrew Hess Byrne Robotics Member

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And never mind that it was Obama that suggested they go back to Washington (DC) to work on this issue, but that the debate go on as scheduled.
As Obama said "...we've both got big planes...they can get us from Washington DC to Mississippi fairly quickly."
And also from my man Barack: "Presidents are going to have to deal with more than one thing at a time. It's not necessary for us to think that we can only do one thing and suspend everything else."
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Howard Mackie Byrne Robotics Security
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<<As I noted yesterday Howard, how is the name of all thats holy, did Americans buy that George W. Bush was a regular guy and NOT an elitist? >>
That one has had me scratchin' my head as well. I guess if you speak with a fake Texas drawl(I wonder if there are any recordings of him speaking in his Yale days?) and accept Jesus you are just a "regular guy". The bigger question... and I am pretty sure it has been touched upon earlier in this thread... is WHY do we want a "regualr guy" as President? This is one area in which my basic requirement is that the person be SMARTER THAN ME!!! That doesn't really take much, so I guess I want the smartest freaking person I can find in oval office. Not just well educated... but SMART!!! One of my real concerns with Sarah Palin's folksy hockey mom style is that it's more of the same. It seems ALL folksiness, and no substance.
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Howard Mackie Byrne Robotics Security
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"It was the Clinton campaign that brought up elitism. "
I really do think it is ridiculous for ANY politician to bring up elitism. Once they get into office--especially in Washington-- they really are the very definition of the word.
- Main Entry:
- elite
- Pronunciation:
- \â-ˈlçt, i-, ç-\
- Function:
- noun
- Etymology:
- French élite, from Old French eslite, from feminine of eslit, past participle of eslire to choose, from Latin eligere
- Date:
- 1823
1 asingular or plural in construction : the choice part : cream <the elite of the entertainment world> bsingular or plural in construction : the best of a class <superachievers who dominate the computer elite — Marilyn Chase> csingular or plural in construction : the socially superior part of society <how the elite live — A P World> <how the French-speaking elite…was changing — Economist> d: a group of persons who by virtue of position or education exercise much power or influence <members of the ruling elite> <the intellectual elites of the country> e: a member of such an elite —usually used in plural <the elites …, pursuing their studies in Europe — Robert Wernick>
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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I want to know what HE(and Obama) can do to get us out over the next 4 years. Shouldn't we all?
Yes, and postponing, not canceling, will still give us exactly that. McCain still wants to have all the debates. It's Obama who nixed 7 of them.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 25 September 2008 at 10:41am | IP Logged | 10
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Really? This close to Election Day McCain isn't looking to advance his political career?
It's amazing how people replied and totally ignored:
1. McCain will be doing what he was elected to do and serve the people in a time of Crisis. 2. Obama will have several additional days of campaigning that McCain won't have. 3. Obama would have more time to prepare for the foreign policy debate, the debate he was expected to do the worst with. 4. McCain knows that some people will think it's a political move and think less of him for it.
Yeah, those are the first 4 plays in the Advancing Your Career 101 Rulebook. Oh wait. Those are in the Advance Your Oponent's Career Rulebook.
Edited by Scott Richards on 25 September 2008 at 10:45am
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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I agree with Howard on elitism but that doesn't change the fact that it was a fellow Democrat who lobbed that ball at Obama first, not a Republican.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5744
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| Posted: 25 September 2008 at 10:46am | IP Logged | 12
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The "Elite" label is just a new spin on old politics. For generations you heard democrats tell poor people that Republicans were only for rich people, and now as the republican part has moved more and more away from its Wall Street/Northeastern traditional roots toward the south and "social conservatism" you hear GOP candidates that elitest northeasterners (e.g. democrats) don't care about their concerns or values. Its all bullshit.
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