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Michael Retour Byrne Robotics Member

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S.190 was too late. By 2005, the horse had left the barn.
The housing collapse is just a feature of a general collapse.
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Michael Retour Byrne Robotics Member

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Just for Mr. Myers, my Crazy MF friend...
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung: LaRouche Warned, When Everybody Was in Denial
September
22, 2008--Under the headline "Everything is getting worse," an article
in the Sunday Sept. 21 edition of the German daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung begrudgingly acknowledged Lyndon LaRouche's uniqueness as a forecaster of the world financial collapse:
"It is the absolute horror show: We are on the verge of the
meltdown of the financial system. The process began long ago and can no
longer to stopped. When Lyndon LaRouche, the opponent of the current
financial system, put forward this thesis, everyone still laughed. But
for a long time distinguished economists have also been saying the same
thing."
It is worth recalling that the FAZ, the chief mouthpiece for the
German banking sector, has tried virtually every trick in the book to
avoid mentioning LaRouche, nor to even admit there is a collapse crisis
going on. ... Tell me how I am taking that out of context Mike. I am quoting from http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/09/22/frankfurter-allge meine-zeitung-larouche-warned-when-everybod.html but am going right over to FAZ to read the full article so we have no nonsense of cherry-picking accusations. Thanks for pointing out LaRouche for me Mike!
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Emery Calame Byrne Robotics Member

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/21/palin.rape.exams/?ire f=hpmostpop
Excerpts From the CNN article:
" Interviews and a review of records turned up no evidence that Palin knew that rape victims were being charged in her town. But Croft, the former state representative who sponsored the law changing the practice, says it seems unlikely Palin was not aware of the issue. "
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" During the time Palin was mayor of Wasilla, her city was not the only one in Alaska charging rape victims. Experts testified before the Legislature that in a handful of small cities across Alaska, law enforcement agencies were charging victims or their insurance "more than sporadically."
One woman who wrote in support of the legislation says she was charged for her rape exam by a police department in the city of Juneau, which is hundreds of miles from Wasilla.
But Wasilla stood out. Tara Henry, a forensic nurse who has been treating rape victims across Alaska for the last 12 years, told CNN that opposition to Croft's bill from Wasilla Police Chief Charlie Fannon was memorable.
"Several municipal law enforcement agencies in the state did have trouble budgeting and paying for the evidence collection for sexual assault victims," Henry said. "What I recall is that the chief of police in the Wasilla police department seemed to be the most vocal about how it was going to affect their budget." "
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" After it became law, Wasilla's police chief told the local paper, The Frontiersman, that it would cost the city $5,000 to $14,000 a year -- money that he'd have to find.
"In the past, we've charged the cost of the exams to the victim's insurance company when possible," Fannon was quoted as saying. "I just don't want to see any more burden on the taxpayer."
He suggested the criminals should pay as restitution if and when they're convicted. Repeated attempts to reach Fannon for comment were unsuccessful. "
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" Judy Patrick, who was Palin's deputy mayor and friend, blames the state.
"The bigger picture of what was going on at the time was that the state was trying to cut their own budget, and one of the things that they were doing was passing on costs to cities, and that was one of the many things that they were passing on, the cost to the city," said Patrick, who recalls enormous pressure to keep the city's budget down.
But the state was never responsible for paying the costs of local investigations. Patrick was also a member of Wasilla City Council, and she doesn't recall the issue coming before council members, nor does she remember discussing the issue with Palin.
She does recall Palin going through the budget in detail. She said Palin would review each department's budget line by line and send it back to department heads with her changes.
"Sarah is a fiscal conservative, and so she had seen that the city was heading in a direction of bigger projects, costing taxpayers more money, and she was determined to change that," Patrick said.
Before Palin came to City Hall, the Wasilla Police Department paid for rape kits out of a fund for miscellaneous costs, according to the police chief who preceded Fannon and was fired by Palin. That budget line was cut by more than half during Palin's tenure, but it did not specifically mention rape exams. "
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Michael Retour Byrne Robotics Member

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Something came to my mind today. I've been sick lately. Under the weather. Not on my toes.
Anyone who doesn't think the world is in a depression right now should take a trip to other nations and NOT the resorts. See how many have no electricity, no potable water, no food, no access to any health care whatsoever, nothing and no prospects. If you can't afford a fact-finding trip because your broker lied to you and told you to stay in your various "investments" then use the web and Google Earth.
It is a ridiculous assertion to state we're not in a depression, or even worse than a depression, when you have food riots breaking out worldwide daily. Just scan the news of the world.
How many die of starvation daily? I know the food banks in the US are being swamped. I myself did a survey back in the 1980s of this condition in Orange County and the so-called richest county in the US could not provide for its hungry. No, you don't have the starvation you have in Africa in the USA but you do have it in Africa. You do have it in Asia. You do have it in South America. That starvation has a cause: economics and in this case failed economics.
http://www.starvation.net/
Starvation.net states that 7,969,335 people have died of starvation this year, 85% of them are children under five years of age. This is due to economics. The kind of economics people like Mr. Myers likes to defend. He claims this is a business cycle. A business cycle of what exactly? Death? Disease? "Business cycle" is such a disgraceful term to snuff out human life.
Then look at the levels of unemployment, and frankly I don't care what stats anyone uses (use the BLS ones). Look at what kind of employment is available. Service jobs? That's economic growth? Hardly.
Certainly, there will be less brokers employed now. Now, I am a thoughtful person and don't want to see any brokers go hungry and would like to help pass the hat for those poor souls that have been left hanging in the wind by a pack of vultures. They didn't know what they were doing, as they admit. I can't really blame a lot of them. They're not very smart. They repeat dogma fed to them but trying eating that dogma (sorta rough going down but some are trying).
Now I could trot over to the WHO, FAO or the UN but I don't really need to. Google provides some very fast stats:
Hunger Facts: International
World Hunger and Poverty: How They Fit Together
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862 million people across the world are hungry, up from 852 million a year ago. 3
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Every day, almost 16,000 children die from hunger-related causes--one child every five seconds. 12
- In essence, hunger is the most extreme form of poverty, where
individuals or families cannot afford to meet their most basic need for
food. 1
- Hunger manifests itself in many ways other than starvation and
famine. Most poor people who battle hunger deal with chronic
undernourishment and vitamin or mineral deficiencies, which result in
stunted growth, weakness and heightened susceptibility to illness. 1
- Countries in which a large portion of the population battles
hunger daily are usually poor and often lack the social safety nets we
enjoy, such as soup kitchens, food stamps, and job training programs.
When a family that lives in a poor country cannot grow enough food or
earn enough money to buy food, there is nowhere to turn for help. 1
Facts and Figures on Population
- Today our world is home to 6.6 billion people. 2
- The United States is
a part of the high-income group of nations, which consists of about 65
countries with a combined population of about 1 billion, less than one
sixth of the world’s population. 4
- In contrast, approximately 4.7 billion people live in low and
middle-low income economies. This world, earning under $3,705 GNI per
capita, is made up of about 99 low and middle-income countries in which
people generally have a lower standard of living with access to fewer
goods and services than people in high-income countries. 4
Facts and Figures on Hunger and Poverty
- In 2005, almost 1.4 billion people lived below the international poverty line, earning less than $1.25 per day. 9
- Among this group of poor people, many have problems obtaining
adequate, nutritious food for themselves and their families. As a
result, 820 million people in the developing world are undernourished.
They consume less than the minimum amount of calories essential for
sound health and growth. 3
- Undernourishment negatively affects people’s health,
productivity, sense of hope and overall well-being. A lack of food can
stunt growth, slow thinking, sap energy, hinder fetal development and
contribute to mental retardation. 1
- Economically, the constant securing of food consumes valuable
time and energy of poor people, allowing less time for work and earning
income. 1
- Socially, the lack of food erodes relationships and feeds
shame so that those most in need of support are often least able to
call on it. 1
- Go to the World Food Programme
website and click on either "Counting the Hungry" or "Interactive
Hunger Map" for presentations on hunger and poverty around the world.
Facts and Figures on Health
- Poor nutrition and calorie deficiencies cause nearly one in three
people to die prematurely or have disabilities, according to the World
Health Organization. 5
- Pregnant women, new mothers who breastfeed infants, and children are among the most at risk of undernourishment. 5
- In 2006, about 9.7 million children died before they reached
their fifth birthday. Almost all of these deaths occured in developing
countries, 4/5 of them in sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia, the two
regions that also suffer from the highest rates of hunger and
malnutrition. 7
- Most of these deaths are attributed, not to outright
starvation, but to diseases that move in on vulnerable children whose
bodies have been weakened by hunger. 6
- Every year, more than 20 million low-birth weight babies are
born in developing countries. These babies risk dying in infancy, while
those who survive often suffer lifelong physical and cognitive
disabilities. 13
- The four most common childhood illnesses are diarrhea, acute
respiratory illness, malaria and measles. Each of these illnesses is
both preventable and treatable. Yet, again, poverty interferes in
parents’ ability to access immunizations and medicines. Chronic
undernourishment on top of insufficient treatment greatly increases a
child’s risk of death. 6
- In the developing world, 26 percent of children under 5 are
moderately to severely underweight. 10 percent are severely
underweight. 11 percent of children under 5 are moderately to severely
wasted, or seriously below weight for one’s height, and an overwhelming
32 percent are moderately to severely stunted, or seriously below
normal height for one’s age. 7
Facts and Figures on HIV/AIDS
- The spreading HIV/AIDS epidemic has quickly become a major obstacle
in the fight against hunger and poverty in developing countries.
- Because the majority of those falling sick with AIDS are young
adults who normally harvest crops, food production has dropped
dramatically in countries with high HIV/AIDS prevalence rates. 10
- In half of the countries in sub-Saharan Africa, per capita
economic growth is estimated to be falling by between 0.5 and 1.2
percent each year as a direct result of AIDS. 3
- Infected adults also leave behind children and elderly
relatives, who have little means to provide for themselves. In 2003, 12
million children were newly orphaned in southern Africa, a number
expected to rise to 18 million in 2010. 3
- Since the epidemic began, 25 million people have died from
AIDS, which has caused more than 15 million children to lose at least
one parent. For its analysis, UNICEF uses a term that illustrates the
gravity of the situation; child-headed households, or minors orphaned
by HIV/AIDS who are raising their siblings. 10, 8
- 1 % (ages 15-49) of the world is HIV prevalent (2005 data). 4
- 1.1 % (ages 15-49) of developing countries are HIV prevalent (2005 data). 4
- Approximately 39.5 million people are living with HIV/AIDS in the world. Of this figure, 63 percent live in Sub-Saharan Africa. 3
- In 2006, 4.3 million people become infected with HIV and 2.9 million people died of AIDS.
Cites and links to source material:
1 Are We On Track To End Hunger? Hunger Report 2004. Bread for the World Institute. 2004.
2 2007 World Population Data Sheet. Population Reference Bureau. 2007.
3 State of Food Insecurity in the World 2006. Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations. 2006.
4 World Development Indicators 2007. The World Bank. March 2007.
5 "Malnutrition". World Health Organization.
6 State of Food Insecurity in the World 2002. Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations.
7 State of the World's Children 2008--Child Survival. UNICEF. January 2008.
8 "Protect and Support Children Affected By HIV/AIDS." UNICEF. March 2006.
9 Global Purchasing Power Parities and Real Expenditures. The World Bank. 2005 International Comparison Program. August 2008.
10 "The Global Challenge of HIV/AIDS." The Population Bulletin Vol. 61, No. 1. Population Reference Bureau. March 2006.
11 2006 AIDS Epidemic Update. Joint United Nations Programme on AIDS. December 2006.
12 Black, Robert, Morris, Saul, & Jennifer Bryce. "Where and Why Are 10 Million Children Dying Every Year?" The Lancet 361:2226-2234. 2003.
13 Low Birthweight: Country, Regional and Global Estimates. World Health Organization. 2004.
Last updated: August 27, 2008 Hunger Facts: Domestic
Hunger persists in the U.S.
- 35.5 million people—including 12.6 million children—live in
households that experience hunger or the risk of hunger. This
represents more than one in ten households in the United States (10.9
percent). 1
- 4.0 percent of U.S. households experience hunger. Some people
in these households frequently skip meals or eat too little, sometimes
going without food for a whole day. 11.1 million people,
including 430 thousand children, live in these homes.1
- 6.9 percent of U.S. households are at risk of hunger. Members
of these households have lower quality diets or must resort to seeking
emergency food because they cannot always afford the food they need.
24.4 million people, including 12.2 million children, live in these
homes.1
- Research shows that preschool and school-aged children who
experience severe hunger have higher levels of chronic illness, anxiety
and depression, and behavior problems than children with no hunger. 2
People facing hunger are increasingly turning to the Food Stamp Program for assistance in feeding their families.
- In 2006, the most recent year for which data is available,
approximately 38 million people were eligible to participate in the
Food Stamp Program. About 65 percent of these actually participated, a
rate that has increased by 16 percent since 2001.3
- In 2007, an average of 26.5 million people used food stamps each month.6
- Declining poverty and unemployment since 2004 have likely
contributed to more economic opportunities for many low-income
Americans. The increases in food stamp participation since 2005 may
well be the result of successful outreach efforts that have encouraged
a greater number of eligible individuals to participate in the program.
Churches and charities are straining to serve rising requests for
food from their pantries and soup kitchens, especially from working
people.
- The U.S. Conference of Mayors reports that in 2006 requests for
emergency food assistance increased an average of 7 percent. The study
also found that 48 percent of those requesting emergency food
assistance were members of families with children and that 37 percent
of adults requesting such assistance were employed. Unemployment, high
housing costs, poverty or lack of income, and high medical costs led
the list of reasons contributing to the rise.4
- Almost half the cities surveyed in the Mayors' report (45
percent) said they are not able to provide an adequate quantity of food
to those in need. And 63 percent of surveyed cities reported they had
to decrease the quantity of food provided and/or the number of times
people can come to get food assistance. An average of 23 percent of the
demand for emergency food assistance is estimated to have gone unmet in
the survey cities, up from 18 percent last year.4
- America's Second Harvest, the nation's largest network of food
banks, reports an estimated 24 to 27 million people turned to the
agencies they serve, as accounted for in their 2006 findings. 5
Cites and links to source material:
1 Household Food Security in the United States, 2005. USDA Economic Research Service. November 2006.
2 Pediatrics,Vol. 110 No. 4. October 2002.
3 Trends in Food Stamp Participation Rates:1999-2005 . USDA Food and Nutrition Service. June 2007.
4 Hunger and Homelessness Survey 2006. US Conference of Mayors. December 2006.
5 Hunger in America 2006. America's Second Harvest. March 2006.
6 “Food Stamp Program Average Monthy Participation." USDA Food and Nutrition Service. February 2008.
Page last updated: February, 2008 If you can really call that prosperity, even in the USA, hats off to you. If you can't bring yourself to call it worldwide depression that's a problem for you not me.
It's only going to get worse. There are solutions but Paulson doesn't have any that are going to help you.
The troubling thing in this is I don't hear the presidential candidates
talking about it. They talk about terrorism but what has murdered more
people? A failed economic system or terrorism? Have you heard Obama or McCain talking about this? They were told to shut up by Paulson and they did.
You read, and reread, the stats from the USA. Tell me how great things are going again.
Mr. Myers I don't know, or care, what game you're playing. You're not in the real world though that's for sure.
Edited by Michael Retour on 22 September 2008 at 4:01pm
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Michael Retour Byrne Robotics Member

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I did a bit of digging today. I can find earlier warnings but this should suffice and notice it passed. This FRLDC is an official part of the Democratic Party.
There were previous warnings but the oh-so-wise economists (many of whom are now unemployed or getting ready to sue Lehman or someone) dismissed the warnings.
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Franklin Roosevelt Legacy Democratic Club
The resolution printed below was passed Saturday,
November 17, 2007 at the Executive Board meeting of the California
Democratic Party. It was submitted by the L.A. County Democratic Party,
which passed it at the July 2007 meeting.
WHEREAS,
keeping people in their homes and preventing predatory lending
practices are values long supported by the Democratic Party, and are
present in the rights established in the general welfare clause in the
Preamble of our Constitution; and
WHEREAS,
the projected number of foreclosures in 2007 is up to two million homes
(John Burns Real Estate Consulting, May 22, 2007), many due to
unethical lending practices; and
WHEREAS,
the collapse of hedge funds, e.g., Bear Stearns, heavily invested in
sub-prime mortgages, threatens to set off a chain reaction collapse of
the Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS) and Collateralized Debt
Obligations (CDO) markets, jeopardizing many national programs such as
student loans and pensions, causing ultimately, the blow out of the
global monetary and financial system;
THEREFORE
BE IT RESOLVED, that the California Democratic Party ask the California
Congressional delegation to lead the way in creating governmental
institutions whose purpose is to direct credit and other lending
organizations to keep people in their homes, in a manner similar to
Franklin Roosevelt's Home Owners Loan Corporation; and
THEREFORE
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the California Democratic Party urge the
California Congressional delegation introduce legislation that would
prevent and/or mitigate against a global financial crisis.
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Michael Retour Byrne Robotics Member

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Another falsehood Myers told exposed.
China paper urges new currency order after "financial tsunami"
So now we have the Chinese government officially and the Russian government officially stating we need a new financial architecture, as has Bill Clinton as well.
The only stumbling block to getting out of this bottomless pit is Bush and his pals on the Democratic side of the aisle that are so eager to give Paulson his failure.
I told you Myers that the world was calling for a new Bretton Woods and Putin said let's sit down and work it out today. Now, you can stick to your "crazy MF" etc. as your little house of cards blows away daily but some of us want to survive the storm.
The stats on starvation above can come here too you know.
If I had told people ten years ago that Lehman was going under they'd have laughed. Well, today they aren't laughing.
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Pete Turley Byrne Robotics Member

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http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/the-story-be hin.html
Biden's story of his helicopter in afghanistan being 'forced down'
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Michael Retour Byrne Robotics Member

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Dr. Horrible's story of his trip to Alaska.

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Obama has been running ads lately stating that women should get equal pay to men, which is most definitely a just cause. That's what makes this article so surprising.
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/09/13/mccain-pays -female-staffers-better-than-obama/
Obama's 28 male staffers divided among themselves total payroll expenditures of $1,523,120. Thus, Obama's average male employee earned $54,397.
Obama's 30 female employees split $1,354,580 among themselves, or $45,152, on average.
On average, Obama's female staffers earn just 83 cents for every dollar his male staffers make. This figure certainly exceeds the 77-cent threshold that Obama's campaign website condemns. However, 83 cents do not equal $1.
By contrast, female employees of Sen. John McCain fare much better. They actually average more in salary, $55,878, than their male counterparts. Women in McCain's Senate office make $1.04 for every dollar men take home. Furthermore, LegiStorm's figures show that McCain places more women in positions of influence than Obama does.
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Michael Myers Byrne Robotics Member

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QUOTE:
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sophist, and arrogance that comes from a deep-seated frustration in the
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All hail, Mammon! All hail, Mammon!
Bow down before the idol of the "Elitists!"
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Michael Myers Byrne Robotics Member

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The NY Times figures are disingenuous because the money they report for Sen. McCain is not coming directly from either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac and their employees. The contributors list includes people who simply sit on their boards. There is also the money coming partly from contributions from lobbyist firms representing a WIDE array of companies. Take the firm of Fierce, Isakowitz & Blalock, representing everyone from Coca-Cola to the Federation of American Hospitals; Recording Industry Association of America to Greene County, Missouri. This long list included Fannie Mae only to the extent that Fierce, Isakowitz & Blalock represented them, too.
On the other hand, Senator Obama HAS received more money *directly* from the former GSEs, firms for whom he was responsible for regulating. These contributors included individuals who, at the very least, had a stake in the direction of regulation as people in positions of power *at* the former GSEs on a daily basis. Then, there are the contributions of the direct Political Action Committees of both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
If the argument is simply against lobbying of any sort, well, the "Lobbyists" have thus far given more to the Democrat's in this election cycle. 'Representative of a "new" era in Washington...or same old , same old?
PolitiFact: "Mostly" True
Lobbying?
NY Times: Lobbyist Contributions
"With just days remaining before the July 31 deadline for reports, lobbyists have disclosed contributions of $4.7 million to Democrats and $3.3 million to Republicans.....Lobbyists gave $181,500 to the campaign committee for Senate Democrats, nearly three times the amount reported in donations to the Senate Republican committee. Lobbyists have reported $108,000 in contributions to the campaign committee for House Democrats, about 20 percent more than they reported giving to the House Republican committee."
Edited by Michael Myers on 22 September 2008 at 5:43pm
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Michael Retour Byrne Robotics Member

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C'mon Mike I liked it better when I was crazy MF, out of my mind, hated jazz, etc. Let's get back to that!
Am I anti-semitic? LOL, is that next? Can we call Meyer Lansky a bad man or would that be too much?
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