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Michael Huber
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And of course, the winner is following the worst president in US History. That's kinda a plus.
Okay, Steven, putting you in the drama category, not pronne to unsubstantaited overexageration are we?
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Michael Retour
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Steven I agree with you on the FDR analogy but I don't think the two candidates are in the same category as Roosevelt was. Perhaps once the winner gets in he will change and rise to the occasion but whomever it is shall inherit some awfully big crises. I also agree they should sit down and discuss the plans to get us out of all of this. Doubt that will happen but I'd sure like to see them put aside politics and do it for the nation.
Mr. Huber you think Bush did a fine job? I don't see Steven's comments as dramatic. The situation is dramatic and he just stated the obvious.
How does one prove Bush was the worst president in history? Well, you would have me there. How do you rate him? Average? Best?
Anyone following Bush will get some sort of honeymoon from the American people. You would. That honeymoon will only last so long. The new president will have to deliver. By November things around the world could be vastly different.
I am not really committed to voting Democrat or Republican. I vote for the person and their policies. I would have voted for Lincoln and FDR and JFK and Reagan over Carter.
My wife was elected to a Democratic Party post once and the big boys ran the party like something you'd stereotype as being out of the USSR. Now, in Los Angeles, that has changed but it sure took some work.
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Jodi Moisan
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No change perhaps. But also no new Evangelical Supreme Court members.
I can live with that.
This being very important.
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Ray Brady
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Is it really an exaggeration to claim that Bush was the worst president? After
all there have only been 43, any given president has a 2% chance of being
the worst just by luck alone. Surely there can't be THAT many who were
worse than him?
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Kevin Hagerman
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I have found myself here in Indiana saying thus: "I'll admit Gore would have been the worst president ever if you'll admit Bush is the worst president ever."
I think Bush had significant help from the worst Congress ever. The TWO worst Congresses ever, in fact.
edited for flow
Edited by Kevin Hagerman on 20 September 2008 at 5:29pm
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Scott Richards
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But the point Tom was making wasn't that Dems don't benefit from special interest groups, but that McCain is making it his mantra to stop lobbyist influence as well as that of big business...all the while having many of them in positions of power in his campaign.
Who you have to surround yourself with to get elected isn't the same thing as who you'll surround yourself with after you get elected.
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Matt Reed
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Doesn't matter, does it? So he'll surround himself with lobbyists while proclaiming that he'll take them all down just to try and win? That's somehow better than having them in his actual cabinet? Yeah, not following that train of logic.
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Mike O'Brien
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Who you have to surround yourself with to get elected isn't the same thing as who you'll surround yourself with after you get elected.
Good god, don't let Sean Hannity hear you - you've just poked a hole in his whole arguement...!
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Jodi Moisan
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http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN195306602008 0919
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Mike O'Brien
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Polling Data
Sean Hannity just isn't working hard enough!
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Michael Myers
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I read all this talk about laissez-faire capitalism and "bailouts", why? There has never been a truly capitalist country in the laissez-faire definition. Capitalist mixed economies, like that of America, are the dominant capitalist system. In such an economy, by definition, the state has *always* intervened in market activity. And, even by their mixed nature, such economies are still cyclical and involve BOTH expansion and contraction. Given that unavoidable fact, just how perfect does it all have to be?
Have we become so weak-kneed that threat of a recession induces tremors in people? Is America that soft; had it that easy? A recession is, by definition, a set period of contraction in the unavoidable business cycle. In my lifetime, alone, we've so far experienced four distinct recessions; and, in the history of America, there have been 32 such business cycles involving recession. Examples from other parts of the world are too numerous to inventory.
Did society unravel or America collapse? Hardly.
Here's an article in the Comment & Debate section of The Guardian, written by someone seeming not overly sympathetic to capitalism, and I thought it served as a decent good reminder:
predicting revolutions can be a frustrating business
"I'm not so sure. The uncomfortable truth is that capitalism - assisted by a pliant state - has historically managed to extricate itself from similar crises and emerge ever more virulent. Marx died trying to explain away precisely such incongruities, while Engels chose a different route: building up a remarkable stock market portfolio while complaining about tax on his dividends..."
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Michael Myers
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| Posted: 20 September 2008 at 9:28pm | IP Logged | 12
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Further research? No, the ministerial position is an appointment, but Tremonti, a former tax attorney and law professor, is a member of the Italian People of Freedom coalition and was campaigning in the April elections in support of the People of Freedom as that coalition list's potential Minister of Economy and Finance. Elections in coalition government's aren't like running for mayor of Denver.
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Michael, you've been regurgitating nothing but LaRouche from the start. Why not be proud about it?
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Or, to sum it up, Fascism. 'Bad enough, but the nonsense you listed is just nutty from ANY economic standpoint. If you think otherwise, then overcome the obvious economic objections already outlined. 1658 Peace of Westphalia? Wholesale government reorganization on the *global* scale? Elimination of a globally entrenched monetary system, in favor of the introduction of a world wide credit-based system? Good luck.
Transporter room? One to beam up!
Edited by Michael Myers on 20 September 2008 at 11:50pm
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