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Kevin Hagerman Byrne Robotics Member

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And you know the old political saw: once you lock up the Thereminists, you can tell the Flautists to get stuffed.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 22 September 2005 Posts: 1258
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| Posted: 16 September 2008 at 2:39pm | IP Logged | 2
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Take the kids to a playground, go to the library...
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And those are paid for by? The Government! Thank you.
Some are paid for by the government. Lots of private donations go into it as well. Broadcast television and radio isn't government funded but everyone has access to them. The Library and Playgrounds the government funds are already a part of the taxes we currently pay. No increase needed.
They are talking about significant increases in taxes if they want free healthcare. My point stands.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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LOL. I had no clue what a Thereminist was but after looking it up it was good for a chuckle.
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Joined: 18 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10927
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| Posted: 16 September 2008 at 3:06pm | IP Logged | 4
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Obama is for smart change, not change for change's sake.
There's no need to change the lobby - someone wise like Obama would realize that. Obama would look at the whole of John Byrne's work, and rub his chin and wisely nod his sage head and say "Folks, there's no need to change this lobby. We Americans can all agree, Democrat and Republican alike, that John Byrne's work is perfectly represented in this lobby."
Then he'd lower you taxes.
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Donald Miller Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 03 February 2005 Location: United States Posts: 3601
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| Posted: 16 September 2008 at 3:21pm | IP Logged | 5
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Broadcast television and radio isn't government funded but everyone has access to them.
The airways on which these broadcasts are transmitted are owned by the American People and are sold (leased?) at a song to providers...
Public television is heavily subsidized by the national endowment for the arts...
all of which is not really important because I don't think that most people are forgoing insurance in favor of entertainment. Although I am sure there are some. My point is that the Insurance companies have turned healthcare on its head and something needs to be done.
Having insurance isn't the answer anymore as even the insured are finding themselves screwed by the system more an more often.
Don
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Donald Miller Byrne Robotics Member

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Mike you avatar brought to mind Lobbyists and the idea of him not changing that is a bad one...
Don
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Well, I agree with that, but I think he'd agree that the JBF lobby doesn't need to be changed.
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Donald Miller Byrne Robotics Member

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Word!
Don
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Todd Douglas Byrne Robotics Member

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Absolutely.
Our son was prescribed allergy medication from about the age of 8 months. Around the time he turned 2, maybe 3, our insurance at work changed providers. The next time we needed a refill of his allergy medication, it was denied by the new insurance company. The pediatrician's office submitted the necessary paperwork...and it was denied again. Woke up one morning to find his eyes so allergy-affected that they were swollen most of the way shut. Zoomed him to the pediatrician's office, on the phone with the insurance company the whole way. See, they'd denied both requests for the medication because there were over-the-counter allergy meds available, and they weren't convinced that the doctor had tried them and determined the prescription stuff to be necessary. Um...hello? He WROTE A FRAKKIN' PRESCRIPTION! And he'd been on it for over a year! That, to me, says, "This is what the doctor finds necessary." The icing on the cake was, upon escalating to a supervisor, having her mention at one point that her personal health insurance was with another company! And told me which company! That spoke volumes to me, and I told her so...that she clearly knew that their service was poor, because she had coverage elsewhere.
At the doctor's office, they filled out the required paperwork again, provided me with a large handful of samples of the allergy med to get through the insurance company's period of red tape. It was finally approved. Meanwhile, over a month after the initial denial, we received a letter explaing the denial and how to appeal it.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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That's why I would be much more likely to agree to insurance reform/regulation than I would to socialized medicine.
Give companies financial incentives for offering decent insurance to their employees in the form of tax breaks. Instead of just giving pure tax breaks, tie them to something that helps the healthcare problem as well. The companies win, the employees win, our wallets win.
Updated for spelling
Edited by Scott Richards on 16 September 2008 at 3:54pm
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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How about the government just own the insurance company?
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Jeff Alan Hays Byrne Robotics Member

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The people at these insurance companies are actually practicing medicine without a license when they deny or alter treatment. Despite what the physician who actually saw the patient thinks, the insurance company representative- not an MD- will make these decisions. It's unethical to say the least.
Unfortunately, the current Medicare and Medicaid constructs are essentially of the same design. As much as putting more funds toward the problem seems like a feasible approach, this has failed so far. Delivering care through the current federal and state systems has become more complicated and restrictive. Rationing of health care has become the norm and I'm afraid many people are unaware of what's been lost, and what will be further lost. American still stands as a beacon for novel and cutting-edge treatment- more so by far than countries with more pronounced government controlled health care- but this edge will eventually be lost, and has certainly already been degraded.
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