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Scott Richards
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Posted: 16 September 2008 at 11:43am | IP Logged | 1  

There are plenty of forms of free entertainment.  Cable TV, video rentals, going out to movies, video games, etc. are not necessities.  Take the kids to a playground, go to the library, etc.

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Posted: 16 September 2008 at 11:57am | IP Logged | 2  

 Geoff great article, when he wrote: "something that feels so good could not possibly be wrong" during the whole article I kept hearing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm4F9Q0nH18&feature=relat ed

But there wouldn't be any black people there would be all white. LOL



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Which article are you refering to Jodi -- for some reason I am exhausted today so I'm not firing on all cylinders.
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People would have to get second jobs just to be able to afford to buy the same things they are buying now to offset their loss of income from the new taxes or curtail some of the spending.

Take the 1 billion a week we are spending in Iraq and apply that to the health care system. problem solved.LOL

Bruce:I actually believe Obama is 100% right here

Bruce you have never been as sexy as you were right then. LOL

OK did I wake up in some bizarre parallel world, Fox reporting the truth and Bruce saying Obama is 100% right on something. LOL See Bruce it wasn't that hard, the first time is always the hardest. LOL

Timothy McVay was a US citizen, we can't police every crazy person. I hate this preemptive thought process Bush has, we are no longer a country that looks like we are something to strive for, we look like a chicken with it's head cut off.  

 



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Posted: 16 September 2008 at 12:15pm | IP Logged | 5  

Which article are you refering to Jodi -- for some reason I am exhausted today so I'm not firing on all cylinders.

The David Brooks Op-Ed piece "Why experience matters"

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You need a second job to afford universal health care covered by taxes? Wow. That's news to me.

When the cost of healthcare is spread out across the tax system the way all other costs are, low income families will pay much less for healthcare (through their taxes) than they do now (directly) and yes, Rich people will pay more.

However, there are costs that will be reduced through universal healthcare. For people with little or no health insurance, problems that could be fixed relatively cheaply (though outside this person's price range) through preventative medical treatment or just catching a bug early, an economic obstacle to that medical care will mean that they might wait until their condition is so bad that the only options are costly medical procedures, permanent disability or death. All of which cost both the person and society more.

Not saying that this doesn't also happen under universal or socialized health care systems,  but at least part of the obstacle is removed.

Most government run health care systems function either as effectively and as cheaply as privatized healthcare or outperform them, at least in the area of general medicine. There is little to recommend the private insurance companies and their "fiscally responsible" approach to medical treatment outside the conservative distrust of big government and the blind faith in the ethics and efficacy of private enterprise that often accompanies the equally blind skepticism towards government. (I'm just saying, be equally skeptical of both)

The potential savings in the availability of preventative medicine, the elimination of the profit margins or bloated administrative costs of the private insurance  companies from the health care "cost analysis", reduced cost of medicine through collective bargaining, and moving the responsibility and accountability for a "refusal to treat" from insurance companies to medical professionals and politicians ...

But hey, we already have socialized medicine over here. Our horse is dead. No point flogging it.

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Posted: 16 September 2008 at 12:21pm | IP Logged | 7  

There are plenty of forms of free entertainment.  Cable TV, video rentals, going out to movies, video games, etc. are not necessities.  Take the kids to a playground, go to the library, etc.

Scott you need to get out more, there are working poor that don't have those things and there are elderly that barely get by. The thing is, we as a country spend that kind of money already, I would just prefer to have the billions spent taking care of our own, then in trumped up wars.

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Scott, I'd take it one further. Kids aren't a necessity, either. If you can't afford to raise one, don't have one.
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And do we really need sick old people, I don't think so. I am feeling some house cleaning coming on. LOL
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Posted: 16 September 2008 at 12:43pm | IP Logged | 10  

OH Great, I love when I say something weird (which I do a lot) in response to something someone wrote and it gets flipped to a new page.

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And now I appear to be having a conversation with myself. Crap I am going to go get finished with my Galactus Pretty Pony or I could do some work.  



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Yes, I know that was a bit harsh. It just bothers me when I see people have 5+ kids then complain when they can't afford to feed them. I'm not saying to cut federal support to let children starve. It's not their fault that their parents are negligent. But I would like the mentality that everyone has a right to reproduce and then expect the government to pay for support of such to change.
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Posted: 16 September 2008 at 12:48pm | IP Logged | 12  

And do we really need sick old people, I don't think so. I am feeling some house cleaning coming on.

Barack Obama supporters want to clean house of sick old people.  A vote for Obama is a vote against grandma.  Vote McCain.  He understands old people issues.  Can't figure out the remote? Neither can McCain.  You kids bought you a digital camera and you're looking for the film door?  So is John McCain.  You confused your grandson's ipod nano for your garage remote?  So did John McCain.  John McCain: He's old too.

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