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Mark McKay Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2296
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| Posted: 15 September 2008 at 11:32am | IP Logged | 1
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| And we know how much government is spending under Bush. |
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The President, whoever it is, does not come up with the budgets, congress does. They can submit propasals, but in the end, He (or she) only has the power to approve, or veto.
Sorry, I just feel we give way to much credit or criticism to the executive branch in this matter.
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Mark McKay Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 15 September 2008 at 11:35am | IP Logged | 2
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| More depressing that McCain wants to spend 3 times as much on defense as on health care. |
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I feel one of, if not THE, prime jobs of government is to provide protection/defense of it's citizens. I don't think it needs to be in the business of determining how healthy we are or making sure we live as long as possible.
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David Ferguson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 17 March 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 6782
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| Posted: 15 September 2008 at 11:40am | IP Logged | 3
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I feel one of, if not THE, prime jobs of government is to provide protection/defense of it's citizens. I don't think it needs to be in the business of determining how healthy we are or making sure we live as long as possible.
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Isn't the government, by protecting/defending, trying to ensure you live as long as possible?
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 15 September 2008 at 11:42am | IP Logged | 4
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I feel one of, if not THE, prime jobs of government is to provide protection/defense of it's citizens. I don't think it needs to be in the business of determining how healthy we are or making sure we live as long as possible.
Where in the constitution does that belief fall under?
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 15 September 2008 at 11:44am | IP Logged | 5
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"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"
Keeping my family well falls under the above statement.
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 14 June 2006 Location: United States Posts: 4797
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| Posted: 15 September 2008 at 11:47am | IP Logged | 6
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Well, national defense is one thing that the federal government must provide. In fact, the very existence of nations came about as a means of common defense.
Health care can and is provided through private means, as well as through local governments. At least, that's things work in America. I realize that Europe has a different tradition.
Edit to add: Not saying that our current health care system is perfect, but I personally doubt that increased federal involvement will improve the system. Likely, the main outcome will be significantly increased costs, as paid through taxes.
Edited by Bruce Buchanan on 15 September 2008 at 11:49am
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 15 September 2008 at 11:49am | IP Logged | 7
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True, Scott, but various state governors and larger city mayors also frequently meet world leaders (and not necesarrily heads of state) for state business purposes.
I agree. A governer of a state where foreign dignitaries are likely to visit will see this. Alaska is probably the least likely state for such a visit though.
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 15 September 2008 at 11:50am | IP Logged | 8
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Keeping my family well falls under the above statement.
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Philosophical difference: I believe keeping my family well is my responsibility, not the government's.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 15 September 2008 at 11:51am | IP Logged | 9
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She's only been to Germany as far as I know.
She was in Kuwait as well.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 15 September 2008 at 11:54am | IP Logged | 10
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More depressing that McCain wants to spend 3 times as much on defense as on health care.
Which is much, much, much less than Obama wants to spend on Defense.
| Type of Spending |
Barack Obama |
John McCain |
| Economy, Transportation, and Infrastructure |
$111.603 |
$3.502 |
| Education, Science, and Research |
$37.088 |
$1.800 |
| Energy, Agriculture, and the Environment |
$56.489 |
$56.481 |
| Health Care |
$100.848 |
$1.137 |
| Homeland Security and Law Enforcement |
$10.173 |
$1.500 |
| National Defense and International Relations |
$13.808 |
$3.917 |
| Veterans |
$2.760 |
$0.060 |
| Miscellaneous |
$10.817 |
$0.120 |
| Grand Total |
$343.586 |
$68.517 |
Also, remember, those amounts are increases to what is already being spent.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

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I feel one of, if not THE, prime jobs of government is to provide protection/defense of it's citizens. I don't think it needs to be in the business of determining how healthy we are or making sure we live as long as possible.
Where in the constitution does that belief fall under?
Generally speaking, in Article I and II, dealing with the enumerated powers of congress (such as to declare war) and the president as commander in chief.
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 15 September 2008 at 11:55am | IP Logged | 12
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Palin may not have met many (or any) foreign heads of state. But as governor, I'm sure she's met plenty of foreign business leaders and officials from other governments who are involved in trade and commerce.
Granted, trade is just one facet of diplomacy. But just about every governor is highly involved in international trade discussions -- probably far more than the average senator or representative.
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