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Jodi Moisan
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I'll be back in a couple months to see who wins, and what you have to say about it then.
If McCain/Palin wins, I will be saying the same thing I did when Bush won a second term.
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 14 September 2008 at 5:36pm
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Kevin Hagerman
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I won't. Whoever wins needs our support. They have a shitload of things to fix.
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Jodi Moisan
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I guess the rumor his fund raising had dried up, was wrong:
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20071222/NEWS-U SA-POLITICS-DC/
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 14 September 2008 at 5:35pm
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Michael Retour
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Mr. Myers who is that in your avatar. It's very intimidating.
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Brian Talley
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If McCain/Palin wins, I will be saying the same thing I did when Bush won a second term.
That we're all fucked?
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Steven Myers
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Either McCain or Obama will be better than Bush, just because people will feel better about our leadership and direction. There's a good chance either will govern much closer to the center, and even select a cabinet member or two from the opposing party (which will make independents smile and increase reelection chances).
I still favor Obama. He's inspiring, smart, and a great speaker. Maybe as good as Reagan or Clinton. And the polls show him winning Ohio, which is all he really needs...
We're Ohio. We control the horizontal. We control the vertical...
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William McCormick
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I won't. Whoever wins needs our support. They have a shitload of things to fix.
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Agreed. But they better show me damn quick they're really going to try and fix things. That goes for McCain or Obama. I've no patience anymore for politicians that get in and do nothing but advance their own agendas.
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Scott Richards
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Hate to break it to you Steven....
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Jason Czeskleba
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Christopher Miller wrote:
| The polls all said the republicans would lose big in the 2006 elections. Not sure how you missed that. |
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Depends on how you define "lose big." In the Senate in particular, my recollection is that there were six states in play which the polls showed as having extremely close races, either a statistical tie or a very narrow lead by one party or the other. All six of those states wound up going with the Democratic candidate, which was something of a surprise. As a result the Democrats narrowly won control of the Senate.
In my opinion, predicting an extremely close race (too close to call) in the key battleground states is not the same as predicting "a big win." And I don't think there was any poll that accurately predicted all six of those key states would break Democrat.
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 14 September 2008 at 6:41pm
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Steven Myers
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Scott, I saw a different poll.
But I wasn't really that serious about the poll. Polls mean less than we think unless they really do predict things.
(heh heh)
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Joe Zhang
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Dear Mike, you wrote:
"Well, the Fannies have never dealt in sub-prime loans, and their
difficulties are due ENTIRELY to overvaluation and their status as GSEs
in the first place."
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According to the Herald Tribune in July 2007:
" Fannie Mae, the largest provider of money for U.S.
home loans, said it held $47.2 billion of securities backed by subprime
mortgages at the end of June. Freddie Mac, the second-largest, held
$120.8 billion of such debt as of May 31."
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" Joe, what could President Bush have done to reign in sub-prime lending, Joe?"
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I was referring to Greenspan. Here's a NY Times article about his and the Fed's failure to heed warnings as far back as 2001.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 14 September 2008 at 7:06pm
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Joe Zhang
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And here's an article about how Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac quashed the state of Georgia's attempts to stop sub-prime lending in 2003.
"The 2002 law made everyone up the line, including investment banks on
distant Wall Street and rating agencies like Standard & Poor's,
legally liable if the loans they sold, securitized or rated were deemed
unfair."
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