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Vinny Valenti Byrne Robotics Member

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Let's take the word "wives" out of the equation and just us "spouses", because otherwise charges of sexism creep up, and that's really not what this is about.
Ok, so other spouses have likely had influence, but I'd bet they were relatively minor. Nancy Reagan wanting kids to just say no to drugs or Laura Bush wanting more kids to read is not something that's really policy-altering or controversial. Overhauling the US health care system is another thing entirely, especially when it's spearheaded by somebody that nobody elected into office.
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Todd Douglas Byrne Robotics Member

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I wouldn't be so sure that other spouses' influence was "relatively minor," although they most certainly were much less front-and-center.
Also important to note...each and every day, matters that impact our lives just as much as an overhaul to the health system are spearheaded by sombodies that nobody elected into office: the Cabinet and White House staff.
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Aric Shapiro Byrne Robotics Member

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"But don't you think she was "regulated" to that role to deflect those criticisms?"
I think she was "relegated" to that role to quiet the public down due to fears over socializing medicine. I think anyone in the presdent's inner circle has an influence on the decision making pricess, but I don't think that being around the president qualifies one to be president any more than hanging out with MJ all day, even for 8 years, would qualify me to play basketball.
I judge Hillary by her tenure in the Senate--that's all
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Paul Greer Byrne Robotics Security

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Todd, I agree. Other spouses take the background role. But what if Nancy Reagan's use of astrology influenced her husband more than we like to think about? (I really hope I'm wrong on that assumption.) Politicians hire non-elected "aids" to help them make decisions and create policy. I'd rather have a President take advice from someone as trusted as their "spouse" than some cabinet member with an agenda that may benefit themselves or their interest group.
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Donald Miller Byrne Robotics Member

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Laura Bush wanting more kids to read is not something that's really policy-altering or controversial.
No Kidding...The President himself doesn't want kids to read and has proposed government cuts to RIF so that they will have less opportunities to.
Let's keep em ignorant...they're easier to control that way.
D
Edited by Donald Miller on 05 March 2008 at 3:13pm
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Paul Greer Byrne Robotics Security

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Ari, I agree she should be judged by her run as Senator. Compare it to Obama's run and she still has more experience. Compare it to McCain and she doesn't.
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Christopher Alan Miller Byrne Robotics Member

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The President doesn't want kids to read? Give me a break.
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Donald Miller Byrne Robotics Member

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President Bush’s proposed budget calling for the elimination of Reading
Is Fundamental’s (RIF) Inexpensive Book Distribution program would be
devastating to the 4.6 million children and their families who receive
free books and reading encouragement from RIF programs at nearly 20,000
locations throughout the United States, according to Carol H. Rasco,
president and chief executive officer of RIF.
Don
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JT Molloy Byrne Robotics Member

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Dennis Miller: "Hillary Clinton has been cheated on more times than a blind woman playing Scrabble against gypsies."
That said, I'm voting Dem no matter who it is this time. I want as little of the last 8 years carried over as possible.
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Aric Shapiro Byrne Robotics Member

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"Ari, I agree she should be judged by her run as Senator. Compare it to Obama's run and she still has more experience. Compare it to McCain and she doesn't."
No question that MCain has more experiecne. But just because someone is more qualified for a position does not alwasy make that person the best at that position.
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Thom Price Byrne Robotics Member
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I agree with Paul that Clinton's opponents are trying to have it both ways. For years, the complaint against her was that she had too much influence, too much activity in the White House ("the Lady MacBeth from Little Rock") and now that activity and influence is being dismissed as not equating to experience.
The comments in this thread are mostly arguing around the point: that she shouldn't have had the influence or activity to begin with, but that's immaterial. She had it, so why shouldn't it count? The only way to have experience as President is to actually be President, of course, so no one has the necessary experience -- but living in the White House for 8 years is about as close as you can get. This experience is not a large factor as to why I favor Clinton, but it's certainly something in her "plus column."
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Christopher Alan Miller Byrne Robotics Member

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President Bush’s proposed budget calling for the elimination of Reading Is Fundamental’s (RIF) Inexpensive Book Distribution program would be devastating to the 4.6 million children and their families who receive free books and reading encouragement from RIF programs at nearly 20,000 locations throughout the United States, according to Carol H. Rasco, president and chief executive officer of RIF.
Don
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How do you come up with the President doesn't want kids to read from this? He's eliminating a program. Maybe it's a bad one maybe it isn't but unless you can read minds you have nothing to back up your statement. It's perfectly reasonable to debate the best way to get children to read but personal attacks like that are what got the unpopular Bush reelected in 2004. Many people who were unhappy with him still voted for him because what they mostly heard from the democrats were atacks on Bush rather than solutions to problems.
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