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Dave Pruitt
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Yeah, that's tomorrow, Tina is supposed to be hosting next week.
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Man, I love to read that thread !
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"While I think there were legitimate reasons for going to war back in 2002,"

The lies that were told made it seem somewhat legitimate.
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PALIN PASSED OFF SCHOOLMATE’S WORK AS OWN

MSNBC has learned that at least once during her school years that Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin hired another student to produce and submit required assignments for her.

Using a team of two handwriting experts, an expert in art history and an economist, MSNBC has been able to construct the following story:

At some point in late 1968 or early 1969, Palin, then know as Sarah Heath hired another student to produce kindergarten artwork which Palin (Heath) signed and submitted as her own. We can now verify that the other student was Michelle “the fixer” Bondi.

Here’s how the scam worked:

Bondi was known throughout Wasilla Elementary School as a student who not only was willing to play fast and loose with the rules, but also had an unnatural fondness for tollhouse cookies. It is now known that at sometime during moose hunting season, when Palin’s (Heath’s) parents were pre-occupied with their yearly moose hunt, an entire tray of chocolate chip cookies, intended for the hunters turned up missing.

At the same time, MSNBC has been able to obtain 3 different pieces of artwork bearing Sarah Heath Palin’s signature, and experts now believe that while the signature is clearly Heath Palin’s, the artwork most probably is not.

“Although the signature on the drawings is much different from Heath Palin’s current signature in that the signature on the drawings is printed and consists of the random use of both upper and lower case, one can clearly discern the similarities with Heath Palin’s current signature,” observed handwriting expert Eudora Wolf-Slattery. This assessment was verified with a second handwriting expert.

Art history expert Forrest Trees made this observation, “ Look here at this earlier submission that we know to be (Heath) Palin’s and compare it to the suspect submissions. The earlier work uses color and a style reminiscent of early pointillism, while the other work is clearly more modern and influenced largely by the cubists. Clearly not the same artist.”

“Barter is a well known problem in our elementary schools, and certainly cookies would be the coin of the realm in the lower grades, kindergarten included,” stated economist Sonny Graph.

While school officials were stunned when confronted with these allegations, they stated that it would be difficult at this late date to take corrective action such as rescinding Heath Palin’s kindergarten graduation.

Michelle Bondi, interviewed from the Polar Bear bar in downtown Fairbanks said “I don’t remember the Heath broad. Yeah I did some stuff when I was younger, but I’ve moved on.”

The McCain-Palin campaign could not be reached for comment.

MSNBC will continue to update you on this breaking story.

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Ah, never mind.  I actually thought it was plausible.


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Joe:  The lies that were told made it seem somewhat legitimate.

And so did many of the truths.
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What truths were those?
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Well, do you recall Bush's speech when he listed the reasons for going to war, and for believing that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction?  That's the same speech that became notorious for the mention of yellowcake uranium.

But the yellowcake was far from the only reason given; many of them were certainly true (for example, areas Saddam did not allow to be inspected, Saddam using biological weaponry in the past, Saddam breaking the terms of the ceasefire, etc.) and many of them were legitimately thought to be true at the time (mainly, in my opinion, due to Saddam attempting to bluff at the worst possible time).

And the other main reason for going to war, which was to establish another westernized democracy friendly to the US in the middle east by taking out a dictator nobody liked... eh, I can see the reasoning, but it wasn't that easy.

In my personal opinion, however, I believe that Saddam's entire government was fair game the moment that he attempted to have our president assassinated.  I would have been fine with going to war the moment we found out about that.

Edit:  Saddam didn't use biological weapons, he used chemical weapons.


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- Regarding yellowcake uranium from Niger, we're all aware that this was a hoax, right? All of this led to the Valerie Plame scandal.

- Saddam broke terms, yes. But the American / British / French no-fly zones over Iraq (from the end of the Gulf War to the beginning of the current war) were never part of the ceasefire agreements. Would that have justified military reprisals by Saddam?

- "Another westernized democracy friendly to the US" implies that such a thing actually existed before. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the Gulf Emirates, all supposed US allies, are medieval monarchies or dictatorships in all but name. Lebanon has a somewhat functional democracy. But they were cluster-bombed by Israel for the actions of terrorists the Lebanese had to no power to stop. And what did Bush do? He sided with Israel. Is it any wonder the power groups in Iraq would rather fight than end up another "democracy friendly to the US"?

- Regarding the last reason you cite, I don't know. It seems as likely as the WMD claim ( a Clinton-era accusation, I know, but no one's ever accused Clinton of being held hostage by truth.)





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Placing a US presence on two sides of Iran and especially between Iran and Israel wasn't an accident. I contend the Iraq invasion was primarily designed to intimidate Iran, not to mention, surround them. I believe they were always the main threat and there was no way to justify invading Iran then. Saddam didn't stick to the ceasefire agreement, that was enough justification to take down his regime on it's own.
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Saddam didn't follow the ceasefire to the letter, but neither did the Gulf Allies.

I don't believe Iran is threat to the national security of the U.S. But I could be very wrong. I don't know. If indeed Iran was the primary reason to go to war in Iraq, then our leaders should have at least told us. Because, contrary to the popular Washingtonian POV, we the people are not a bunch of children who can't handle anything more than a sanitized, simplistic, and mostly fictionalized version of reality (that their PR firms, media men and politicians try to feed us.)


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Posted: 13 September 2008 at 9:14am | IP Logged | 12  

Joe wrote:
we the people are not a bunch of children who can't handle anything more than a sanitized, simplistic, and mostly fictionalized version of reality


I wish I could see more evidence that this was true. Every time I see people agreeing with such simplistic nonsense as "they hate us for our freedoms" I wonder just how gullible the average citizen really is.


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