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Jason Czeskleba
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| Posted: 11 September 2008 at 8:35pm | IP Logged | 1
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Keith Elder wrote:
| I don't think it was not picking Hillary that was his mistake; I think
it was the 100% wrongheaded way the campaign responded to Palin that
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I think it's purely the charisma and popularity of Palin that has cost him the lead, along with the relentless negative campaigning they did (especially Palin) at their convention. I can't imagine any other way the Obama campaign could have responded in the past two weeks that would have made a difference. What do you think his campaign should have done differently, or what do you think they did do that was so wrongheaded it has swayed roughly 5% of voters (based on polls) to switch to McCain?
As to Palin's popularity, it's very disenheartening to me. Not just because I disagree vehemently with her positions, but because it's indicative people are focusing on personality over issues. A majority of the country disapproves of the performance of President Bush. A majority of voters feel the country is headed in the wrong direction. Yet people are willing to support her despite the fact she is a mirror image of Bush in terms of policy and personal beliefs? What does that indicate except that people are looking at personality (or perhaps race and gender) and letting those things make their decisions rather than policy ideas. If McCain wins, it's not going to be because a majority of people think Republican ideas are the best solution, but because a majority of people like the Republican candidates better personally. That's sad.
And what's sadder is that I think the only way Obama can win now is to respond in kind... to stop talking about the economy and instead focus on making the public dislike and distrust McCain/Palin. Negative campaigning works, sadly.
Question to all: Do you think McCain would have still picked Palin if Obama had selected Clinton?
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 11 September 2008 at 8:38pm
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Jason Czeskleba
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| Posted: 11 September 2008 at 8:38pm | IP Logged | 2
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Scott Richards wrote:
| I just came across this article. With all the Obama supporters
blasting Palin for not being available for questions it's a bit ironic.
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Obama just did a lengthy interview with Bill O'Reilly. What are the odds Palin would do likewise with Olbermann?
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Jeff Gillmer
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| Posted: 11 September 2008 at 8:45pm | IP Logged | 3
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I ask this seriously, but does Olbermann actually interview anyone? The few times I've watched his show it's generally him ranting and having on people that agree with him.
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Christopher Alan Miller
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It took 19 months for Obama to agree to the O'Reilly interview and I don't agree that you can compare the two. An interview with Ann Coulter would be closer to an Olbermann interview.
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Jason Czeskleba
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| Posted: 11 September 2008 at 9:19pm | IP Logged | 5
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We've been around the block already with the whole "who's the right-wing equivalent of Olbermann" thing so we'll have to agree to disagree there. But I don't think you can find any Olbermann statement as batshit crazy as Coulter's talk about poisoning John Paul Stevens or saying that the 9/11 Widows group "enjoys their husbands' deaths."
At any rate, let me rephrase my question: What is the likelihood that Palin would sit for an interview with someone who is a well-known Democratic partisan, who is frequently and extensively critical of her on-air, and who has the stated intention of challenging her with tough questions?
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Jeff Gillmer
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Question to all: Do you think McCain would have still picked Palin if Obama had selected Clinton?
Nope. McCain would probably have picked Romney. Then the strategy would have been 2 short term Senators vs a long term Senator and former Governor that also had business experience. Of course, it wouldn't have mattered. A Obama/Clinton, or better yet a Clinton/Obama ticket would have been a easy win.
That being said, Obama would have had to create a new cabinet level position...food taster.
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Edited by Jeff Gillmer on 11 September 2008 at 9:30pm
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Gary S. Lee
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| Posted: 11 September 2008 at 9:32pm | IP Logged | 7
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Did anyone notice that Gov. Palin didn't even seem to know what Charlie
Gibson was talking about tonight when he asked her if she agreed with the
Bush Doctrine?
I mean she clearly hesitated for about 5 seconds and tried to get him to
clarify and then had some vague answer.
And then Charlie spelled it out to her.
G.
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Geoff Gibson
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| Posted: 11 September 2008 at 9:49pm | IP Logged | 8
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I watched the first part of Palin's interview. My first thought was that
democrats would be ill served to underestimate her. That said I felt that
she appeared very, very well coached. It felt like she had set answers and
she tried to frame them around Uncle Charlie's questions. To her credit
she stayed on point, almost to a fault, to the point where she wasn't really
answering his questions. I've had witnesses do that to me and its very
frustrating but can be effective.
The Bush Doctrine gaffe was bad. Watching it again now I question if she
knew what it meant. It seemed like the first she'd heard of it was when
Uncle Charlie asked her about it. As for her answer, once he explained it
to her, in fairness I have yet to hear any of the candidates say they would
not employ the Bush Doctrine.
Watching this interview reminded me how much I miss Tim Russert.
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Joe Zhang
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| Posted: 11 September 2008 at 10:09pm | IP Logged | 9
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another note, who, in the middle of all this talk of "change" is
entertaining the notion that McCain and Obama are both Skrulls?"
Yeah. And they swap roles from time to time as an in-joke.
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Joe Zhang
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"That being said, Obama would have had to create a new cabinet level position...food taster."
I don't know how that's supposed to be funny. Totally out from left field.
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Geoff Gibson
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| Posted: 11 September 2008 at 10:14pm | IP Logged | 11
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I think he meant if Hillary were Obama's VP he'd have to have someone make
sure she'd not poisioned his food so she could assume the presidency.
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Joe Zhang
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| Posted: 11 September 2008 at 10:16pm | IP Logged | 12
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Oh. Ha !
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